Getting Back on Track

[Tmac]

In a sense of getting this site back to what it use to be I'm asking to only post things that concern our sport and efforts to reestablish safe and legal racing here on Long Island.It is apparent that almost every thread goes off topic and this site seems to have gone from a serious effort to comedy central.As I have posted elsewhere civic groups and politicians DO monitor our activites here and the need to come off as a PROFESSIONAL organization is most important.When you post something take into account the efforts of the original few who spent thousands of hours doing what ever it took to get this thing started and keeping it afloat even when many in the motorsports community kept saying it will never happen an attitude we were turning around.With the way things have been going here we are defeating ourselves.
While we value every member,no member is worth keeping if he or she is hurting our effort.So if you truly are with us and believe in our goals please post accordingly.If you can't please don't.Keep the jokes in a joke thread or PM each other but don't post it for all to see,we have enough problems with the image issue.

[novadose454]

shame.....seems like what we are isnt good enough ..i can understand your efforts..i can understand a lot of things...but car guys are crude....car guys are wild at times and we all like to bullshit about every subject under the sun......this forum shouldnt be business only.....it should be all the crap us car guys talk about and say at parking lots....and car shows....we talk crude...we drink ...we are what we are....our image is what we are...we arent racing in the streets...which is what we shouldnt be....but just talking business...when there really isnt any to talk about ...then what are you doing ?.....lima is where we go for info on whats happening...so if that is what its for....what is this for?......just curious.....look i dont want to fuck your place up.....and im not gonna promise to behave....i am what i am....soooooooooo with all respect....ill bow out....ill find a site that talks and jokes about cars and all the things..car guys talk about....which is everything...i hope you find peace....please take me off of your list....i no longer am a member ......take care....bye........andy

[cowbay]

I have to agree with Nova. Look we all want a track. Trust me when I am sitting in traffic in staten island on a sunday evening I truly miss no having one. We are all onboard for it and are ready to go when something is ready to happen.
My issue is that I feel like I am living in India with the cast system. There is the upper level in the know who feel where we the lower class are not allowed to ask question and if we do we get a boot to our throats. We are to sit quietly and wait for the moment to go and we are to jump on command. It is what it is in regards to that.
But for an organization like this to stay together it has to be fun and interesting in adddition to the work to be done. We are all adults and we work hard and the economy is a train wreck. Look I am working 6-7 days a week doing 12-13 hour days just to find work and not lay anyone off, and take care of my wife who has cancer so I have my table full of stress. The point of going on these boards is to blow off some steam and take a break from the world. Just my $.02 Atica! Atica! (just a joke there everyone laugh, it won't hurt)

[JAYMAN454]

I also agree with nova & cowbay."cast system" well said.

[RICHIESBLOWN34]

It s supposed to be fun, if you cant have a laugh or two why even live ..life is too short to worry what people have to say on a site with all adults here . Without the few people who post here ...serious or funny posts....fuckin with the threads this winter would be boring....as far as Nova and my self, all the back and forth was just entertainment for you all, we really like each other and are not enemys...I think he likes me...lol...all we tried to do was put a little laughter on this site so we could get past the winter and get to racing in the spring ! It was all planned from the begining!!!!! Most of ya all must have thought when the day came , me and Nova were going to kill each other..... sorry not going to happen! I consider Andy a friend and you all should consider him a friend for this cause...because he put his heart and soul, with his sometimes sarcastic remarks into this site. Stepped up to the plate with flyers for the November Car Show, went out of his way to make sure they would get to me so the LIDR would be heard at that show. The reason I am writing this is because Andy has elected to leave this site because of the above post , felt it might have been directed at him and or me and threw the towel in. If in anyway any one did not like what we were doing, shoulda just pm us and we would have stopped our banter, just doing what we did to put a little spark to this site. It might be too late but if you enjoyed his funny persona ...invite him back, I know I am . Personly with out him...remember hes got over 1000 posts...this site is dead. Thanks for listening..Richie

[spikeybabe22]

I agree with all. I mean the off topicness in peoples threads...can be controlled....

I agree wtih Cowbay 100%

"There is the upper level in the know who feel where we the lower class are not allowed to ask question and if we do we get a boot to our throats. We are to sit quietly and wait for the moment to go and we are to jump on command."
Could not of said it better myself.

[Art]

Y'know, this board isn't too heavily moderated. Or at least I don't feel it is. I share what I feel is relevant, and let the chips fall. We are all different people with lives and opinions to match. We aren't all going to get along or even like one another. That said, live the way you see fit. Don't wanna post here anymore? We will miss you. (or at least I will) Feel you have been flamed or painted in a bad light? Work it out. A little decorum though goes a long way. I treat folks the way I would like to be treated. If I screw up, I do my best to make amends. And on top of all that, I only speak for me. If I'm part of the problem, tell me. If I can, I will do my best to "make it right". And if I fail, know it was the best I could do. I'm just a old guy.
Art Bichsel

[Tmac]

At it's inception this site was created to keep alive the chance of getting a motorsports park built here on Long Island.When we went out in the early days we invited All to check out what we were trying to do,get support from the masses.We've contacted,NHRA,IHRA,civic groups,and politicians to which most are not in our corner trying to promote the need for a safe facility for racers to turn,getting it off the streets.We were trying to change the perception of what people think of racers to get them to realize we are dedicated to our sport just like any other athelete not the goons they think we are.With that in mind go back from their point of view and read some of these posts it just shores up their opinion of what they think a racer is.If you think it's not important what they think your dead wrong.If any of you own a business would you approach a new costumer this way.The site is kind of like a business but also to share related ideas and information tales from the past to show people this is a way of life that has been stolen from us so maybe they will understand the passion and frustration we feel.We had it all and it was taken away and no politician came to our aid like they do for these civic groups that in most cases are much smaller then us in members.Their power comes in the way they approach their problems.Alot of you guys that have been around the sport,Novadose included,have a wealth of stories from the way it was here,people can log on read this stuff and see that for many Long Islanders have been cheated out of their way of life even though we pay our taxes do the right thing we're their neighbors they just need to realize that.We have a right to race legally,just like the right to go boating,golf,play ball,ride horses ect..I'm not trying to chase away members but I also know the hours some have put into this effort and feel that should be respected.I don't mean to offend people single them out but I'm trying to explain our purpose.Maybe I'm the problem.If you think I am I'll bailout but when I joined the picture I,ve just painted is how I was told we were approaching this thing.

[JAYMAN454]

We have a goal ,but no direction.i think people are getting stir crazy.
I recommend a forum debate to decide were we go from here.if anyone has
an idea( were do we go from here) post it!we'll take a field of 10 & narrow
it down to 1 through a process of debates & votes .like pinks all out.
THEN WE CAN TAKE THE FIRST STEP.

[cowbay]

My personel feeling and I could be wrong why not let the members know what is going on for the cause. It is hard for everyone to get behind something when one does not know where it is.

[RICHIESBLOWN34]

Hey now that the weather is starting to change..getting a little warmer and a little lighter later, even more when daylite savings gets here ....pick a nite or weekend day like a Sunday and meet up ..say like Captree or the old OBI....but not at 7 am ,,,more like 9am or later, some only have that day to sleep a little longer. Better yet meet a show or swap meet and put together a plan of attack so we are all on the same page as of that day, nobdy left in the dark. Also put a face to the names.Theres a lot of shows that we all attend and may be post a location at each show at a certain time go to a area of the show or if anyone is putting a car in ...you can be the meeting spot...shows all over every weekend , just post who you are and which show your attending....now you have a meeting spot where ya dont mind being on a Sunday morning.

[cowbay]

"we all attend and may be post a location at each show at a certain time go to a area of the show or i ...you can be the meeting spot... , just post who you are and which show your attending....now you have a meeting spot where ya dont mind being on a Sunday morning."

Something like that would go a long way to getting this organization going. We need to meet so we can all brainwash each other. I'll bring the Kool aid. Hey it worked for Jim Jones.

[RICHIESBLOWN34]

We all cant meet at every show but after a few meets we will know some of the people and news

[JAYMAN454]

Good idea.maybe pickup some new members to.obi is a good one.lot of people.
I'll bring flyers.

[Tmac]

Let me just explain to you all first and foremost who I am and how I rose to the status of staff moderator.Most of you have more experience then me when it comes to racing,I havn't owned a running car since 81 that you would consider a race worthy car.I sold this car when I got married.I recently purchased a car for $3,500.00 more show then go and at that price looks are an issue but i would like to build from this if we get a track.I use to go to LID almost every Sunday from the 80's until it closed with my kids when they were young and by myself when they got older just to kick back and watch because I've always loved the sport.When the track closed I was Pissed off to say the least,it was my only outlet to blow off steam after working in Manhattan 6 days a week for me a 24 hour commute a week so going to Jersey isn't in my plans.I don't have the time.I've lived a life of one tragedy after another since I got married,without getting into detail you wouldn't want to walk in my shoes.When I found out about this movement to reestablish racing here(totally by chance)I went to Captree listened liked what I heard and got involved,maybe partly to take my mind off of my reality for a little while,but also because when I was young and dumb I was in a serious street racing accident where I was covered with a sheet at the scene and given up on.I'd like to save other kids and their parents from what I put mine through.I spent over three months in a hospital a year in a wheelchair and still suffer many problems today and I see those as the good old days.I spent a lot of time going to shows meetings handing out flyers doing what ever I could when I could,so the title was given to me in appreciation I think.I'm not trying to come off as better than anyone else here but just share my ideas.I give information when I get it.I don't hide things,I'm not a member of the inner circle.I'm sorry if I come off that way and looking back at some of my posts I guess I do but I only do this to try and keep a serious feel to our movement which I think we need to if we want support from those that normally wount give it.Well now you know my life.
On the topic of direction membership I think should be our goal.This is something I think we can all agree on,but how to get it is the Question.Richies idea of meeting at shows I think is a good one,not our own show but connect with other established ones,take a section of a lot where we can park and setup as a club seeking members need a logo banner maybe and show we are the drag racing wing of LIMA but need to get organized prior.

[JAYMAN454]

connect with other established shows,you don't get anywere sitting around.
good point tmac.i think every one's restless its bin a long winter.we need to get out
& go to work.

[RICHIESBLOWN34]

We all cant hit every show, but eventually we will cross paths at one show or another. We will be able to talk to one another face to face which I think would be better than only using the computer.

[Supershafts]

My personel feeling and I could be wrong why not let the members know what is going on for the cause. It is hard for everyone to get behind something when one does not know where it is.

What is going on.....

The latest news is on LIMA.

We are working on bringing that plan forward with the town of brkhvn right now. 2 other areas have been looked into and will not work for us.

If ... IF there was something you needed to KNOW it would be on LIMA.

If you need to, have to, got to know.... this week we have had 3 conversations between LIMA and DDMMG , another 8 conversations with town and legislators, 1 convo with suffolk cnty eco develpment and 1 person in the parks dept has not returned calls...

Prior to that we had meetings with legislators and town council, nothing spectacular, no ground breaking, just talk of what if... and we'll lease and pay for and share with you, just let us try, temporary , try out to show you...

If you want to do something...

As the parked car show crowd starts coming out in the next few weeks go to the places together.... each week pick one to attend and go together so you do not miss one person and talk to every single one of them....

Or attend each one together, a very few are on the same night involving picking one for that week and hitting the other the following week.





It is hard for everyone to get behind something when one does not know where it is

No one told me anything.... i did it because i want IT... I refused to listen to others tell me it'll never happen or any other bs excuse.

You need a address or something physical to hold onto so you can believe... I don't have it.

The new plan we are working on.... if that falls thru... should i give up?

Should i just pull the plug because the last 5 or 6 builders were ignored or turned away for one reason or another.

Stop because epcal was/is/possibly a done deal.


Everyone is so quick to just stop or let it go.... Kicked in the throat...

Here is the problem.... very, very few people and most are not on this board ask me a question as a question....

But instead attack in some form or another that i am the problem.... so when that happens i get sarcastic and don't really give answers to people that just run there mouth that i am ruining it for them.

Cast system.. read the above part again if you think you missed something... read the annoucement on LIMA if you feel you're out of the loop.

If you aren't willing to jump with 2 feet when asked, then well you will know the answer to "do you think we'll get a track?"

My honest answer to everyone that asks me that.... with the lack of participation, no you will not, but only you* can change that.










*not directed at just anyone single person, but everyone that doesn't get involved but is so quick to complain

[Supershafts]

Also don't expect to see another big news break on LIMA tomorrow about anything.

Working with anything involving towns or county is drawn out and mostly sucks up all my time, basically wasting it.

[Tmac]

I think we should go to the shows in our areas,as posted,post the show setup an area and meet there as a club,bring membership flyers and a petition for anybody to sign stating they support the idea of an organized safe and legal motorsports to be built.I think we should in some fashion develop a douctrine for new members on the format of this site so we don't mislead people or turn them away as has unfortunately happened.Something you must agree to before you become a member.This may take some of the wind out of our sails but as we are monitored by those who don't want us we must act like they do to be effective.At some of the bigger shows we should try to have a big turnout and maybe at Etown events.A lot of these things have already been tried but to my mind not as a group where several cars and members setup in one spot.It could make a difference or it could just be a way to meet people but worth a shot.

[JAYMAN454]

I think we should go to the shows in our areas,as posted,post the show setup an area and meet there as a club,bring membership flyers and a petition for anybody to sign stating they support the idea of an organized safe and legal motorsports to be built.I think we should in some fashion develop a douctrine for new members on the format of this site so we don't mislead people or turn them away as has unfortunately happened.Something you must agree to before you become a member.This may take some of the wind out of our sails but as we are monitored by those who don't want us we must act like they do to be effective.At some of the bigger shows we should try to have a big turnout and maybe at Etown events.A lot of these things have already been tried but to my mind not as a group where several cars and members setup in one spot.It could make a difference or it could just be a way to meet people but worth a shot.ditto

ditto

[RICHIESBLOWN34]

Ditto? At least complete a sentence Jay:poke:...ink is cheap!

[LongIsland63SS409]

LI Classic Cars is currently updating the 2009 events.

Great idea atending as a group to get our word out.

2008 events as a sample.

http://liclassiccars.com/cgi-bin/events.cgi?Month=[03]%20March

The Sayville Main Street show in August is my favorite show. Main Street is packed with people all day long.


Mike

[TURBOPOWERED68]

I hit OBI/Captree just about every Sunday morning just look for the dirty white Chevelle.

On the keeping threads on the original topic, I am with you 100%
But like previously posted this place needs to keep people interested and generate traffic I wont stop by for two days and when I hit the “New post” button I get nothing this actually hurts the site as new comers will think “nothing is happening here why should I stop by”
By generating traffic with other car related topics it will attract new people plus when the new people show up they will be more likely to poke around stay and chat and more importantly check in more often

[RICHIESBLOWN34]

Theres new posts eveyday.....if you dont post anything in a thread , you wont be notified. I get email everyday that there is a post that I subscribed to. You gotta be in it to get it ...post a comment in all the threads and you will never see there is no new posts turbo

[Tmac]

People should know up front that this is a serious effort and needs to be seen that way by others.That being said there is no stopping people posting about their clubs,club events,in fact we encourage this stuff,it shows those who look in on us that there is a big interest and hopefully a growing membership,post about the past racing here,tech stuff,anything you can think of relating to the sport or you feel effects our goal.With all this in mind we have to keep a certain decorum to help certain people see we are serious.If you notice the LIMA site isn't always posted on everyday but that is the source where I get most of my information and that's it's purpose because it covers all motorsports and is the negotiating platform for us.We are the drag racing wing of it so those into drag racing come here first but should check there.If I see something of interest there I post to check it out.
I think we should all have LIMA stickers and tees to distinguish us at events and maybe an LIDragRacing logo or combination of the two.
Why do I all of the sudden feel like Douglas C. Neidimeyer.Wasn't he shot by his own troops?

[LongIsland63SS409]

People should know up front that this is a serious effort and needs to be seen that way by others.That being said there is no stopping people posting about their clubs,club events,in fact we encourage this stuff,it shows those who look in on us that there is a big interest and hopefully a growing membership,post about the past racing here,tech stuff,anything you can think of relating to the sport or you feel effects our goal.With all this in mind we have to keep a certain decorum to help certain people see we are serious.If you notice the LIMA site isn't always posted on everyday but that is the source where I get most of my information and that's it's purpose because it covers all motorsports and is the negotiating platform for us.We are the drag racing wing of it so those into drag racing come here first but should check there.If I see something of interest there I post to check it out.
I think we should all have LIMA stickers and tees to distinguish us at events and maybe an LIDragRacing logo or combination of the two.
Why do I all of the sudden feel like Douglas C. Neidimeyer.Wasn't he shot by his own troops?

I have been in contact with LIMA to get some stickers.

I added the draft LID Decal Logo.

What do you think of the draft?

Mike

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f42/LongIsland63SS409/CCF03082009_00000.jpg

[mikelbeck]

Here's how I see it.

This site - Long Island Drag Racing - is for Long Island Drag Racers, by Long Island Drag Racers. What we talk about here is drag racing and all things associated with drag racing. Cars, tracks, tires, oil, fuel, starting line techniques, girls at the track, the guy in the tower, the tech guys, the travel to the track, the shoes you wear when you're racing, how much you beat the other guy by, how the other guy cheated when he beat you, how much damage you did when you put the 500 HP kit on, etc, etc, etc. Anything drag racing related. The other site - LIMA - is the political or community action group that's trying to get some sort of facility back on the Island. Some of the stuff from there spills over onto here, and vice versa. I'm not all that concerned about that, but I don't want this site to turn into that site, or that site to turn into this site. Make sense?

However... I also don't want to see this turn into a free for all, which is what has happened at some points. Stay on topic, if you need to stray off topic start a new thread and make sure it goes into the right category. Nothing is censored, but keep it under control. Of course, anything that gets out of hand will be deleted (overly sexual, hate, racism, etc) and the user will receive an infraction... if enough are collected by that user they'll be banned.

Think of it like this... you're hanging out in your buddy's garage with a bunch of the guys from the neighborhood, and all of your wives/girlfriends are out back on the deck. But the back door is open and they can overhear what you're all saying. In that case you'd keep your mouth under control, right? Do the same here.