Shinnecock Reservation

[LongIsland63SS409]

Just an thought.

The Shinnecock Reservation has been fighting for a Casino forever.

Has LIMA ever approached the Shinnecock Indians about a Motorsports Park? The reservation has about 1,200 acres.

The revenue would be just as great or better than a Casino.

http://www.shinnecocknation.com/outreach.asp

Mike

[novadose454]

wow....can you imagine....????? that would be actually something that would be good for all......
not as good as a casino..but then again..theyre never going to get one on long island....but this would be a draw....they can then serve food..etc...lots of things can spin off it.....

[RICHIESBLOWN34]

Might have to duck arrows and what about thier horses.....they might want to race them also

[novadose454]

you worrying about ...one horsepower?? ....best they can get is a 20 mule team..unless they ate them all last winter....

[Supershafts]

This was on lima

[Supershafts]

..theyre never going to get one on long island......

They have a good chance ...

[LongIsland63SS409]

Supershafts:

I did a search on LIMA and could not find it.

Where can you find it?

Mike

[spikeybabe22]

a casino?

[Art]

a casino?

I believe that's what Supershafts is referring to.

[Supershafts]

Supershafts:

I did a search on LIMA and could not find it.

Where can you find it?

Mike

It might have been deleted then, it's that old....

Anyway we went thru all the particulars and monetary end of it and explained they wouldn't even need to pay for the construction end of it...
I had worked on that during epcal, they weren't interested

[spikeybabe22]

that I don't rem. hearing or reading...I was trying to piecce together everything else. still trying to understand everything that is going on the island.
what about donald trump? he is building that thing in jones beach...hmmm.

[LongIsland63SS409]

They seem not to give up on their casino.

Do you think a second request would be worthwhile?


Mike

[novadose454]

i think so ...and i dont really think your goiing to see a casino on long island....or are we talking about slots.....like in yonkers.....hmmmmmmm....but if they have the land..hell a one mile long strip and a trailer is all we need.....how can they not make money...shit ..they dont even pay taxes.....

[RICHIESBLOWN34]

that I don't rem. hearing or reading...I was trying to piecce together everything else. still trying to understand everything that is going on the island.
what about donald trump? he is building that thing in jones beach...hmmm.

Sand drags at the beach....sounds interesting:poke:

[Supershafts]

Trump also tried at epcal. rht blew that also.

Look at the bs he went thru with trump on the ocean...

[Supershafts]

The reservation has about 1,200 acres.





That is also part of the fight behind the casino issue...the disputed 1200 and then fight for southampton to pay for stealing from them... Keep in mind according to them south/hamptons is all theirs...

There pushing for that casino in a big way, now we'll have to see how aqueduct plays out. Many people aren't thrilled about aqueduct becoming a casino...
We had a long discussion with them about the entire casino mess, it's immediate impact on it's surroundings and the economic benefit compared to each other and what they draw from each other...
Also there original plan wasn't a gem on the water, it was a casino in the woods.
If you ever ran at bridgehampton then you know the issues trying to get in or out with the hamptons traffic, the immediate area would suffer as it does with traffic.
That end of the island is killing themselves with there lack of roadways...is it done purposely, or just blindly...
Technically i wouldn't want to go to that end for a track, though we did talk with them..

[novadose454]

i know what your saying about that area and the traffic...i think its a blind eye..but if it gets a track and more traffic...im sure theyll be voting for more lanes and a bypass of somekind to keep the traffic out of thier small shitty barbie like towns......sorry about not calling you names marty....usually theres a dick or asshole attached to the posts...but hey..its christmas...lol.................:poke::poke::D

[LongIsland63SS409]

From what I am reading in the posts it does not look like a good site.

I like what the Shinnecock Indians do, they never give up.

In today's 12/28/2008 Newsday there is an Editorial that the Suffolk Legislature has created a task force to investigate their casino plan.

It looks like the trigger mechanism for the task force is the amount of revenue the casino would bring to the local economy.

Sounds familiar:confused:

How to we get a task force to take a look at a Motorsports Facility?

Mike

[Art]

From what I am reading in the posts it does not look like a good site.

I like what the Shinnecock Indians do, they never give up.

In today's 12/28/2008 Newsday there is an Editorial that the Suffolk Legislature has created a task force to investigate their casino plan.

It looks like the trigger mechanism for the task force is the amount of revenue the casino would bring to the local economy.

Sounds familiar:confused:

How to we get a task force to take a look at a Motorsports Facility?
Mike

Believe it or not something similar to that was proposed and not acted upon by the legislature.
see here: http://www.lidragracing.com/showthread.php?t=526&highlight=cooper

[LongIsland63SS409]

How can we boost registration to LIMA and reintroduce the bill?

What is the goal for registration?

Mike

[Art]

How can we boost registration to LIMA and reintroduce the bill?

What is the goal for registration?

Mike

I believe you would need a Suffolk County Legislater reintroduce it. It was withdrawn with no action noted. As far as a membership goal, I think we would need to show up in Hauppauge on a weekday with at least 5000. A pretty tall order. Think about an event that gets/got results, something you saw on network news. We would need that I think. They are out there, just a bit disillusioned (my opinion).

[novadose454]

How can we boost registration to LIMA and reintroduce the bill?

What is the goal for registration?

Mike


i know how to bring them in..wet t shirt contest......always works.....

[novadose454]

how about getting the local wbab watever the hell its called radio station to help...good pr for them..dont ya think?? we can get names and email addresses........boost up the member ship....im sure theyd love to get us hot rodders off the streets and on to a track......

[LongIsland63SS409]

Art,

"They are out there, just a bit disillusioned (my opinion)"

Yes, they are out there most think it will never happen:confused:

We need new ralley in 2009.

Mike

[novadose454]

ralley is cool.....radio station?? too....ya think?

[LongIsland63SS409]

Yes, a radio station would be a great way of advertising it.

Local newspaper and the Internet.


Mike

[RICHIESBLOWN34]

ralley is cool.....radio station?? too....ya think?

We talked about that 2 months ago.....was to expensive from what I remember...anyone remember that post....how about Full Throttle mag or the Special Interest mag.....or National Dragster mag, thats all over the country, and people who READ that mag RACE!!!! Any suggestions ? If it costs, how about member donations to start.... ya all cant be on a tight buget. Ya all know how to squrrel away money from the wife or girlfriend when you need a part for your car, so how about it ? Spend some of it now or spend it when you go to ETown or some place farther. How about starting a new forum and see what we people think they can afford.....for starters....I start the bid at $100 dollars per member for advertisements :3gears

[Art]

Art,

"They are out there, just a bit disillusioned (my opinion)"

Yes, they are out there most think it will never happen:confused:

We need new ralley in 2009.

Mike

No doubt about it. Apathy is our largest obstacle. For every "doubter" the believers have to work that much harder. That in turn makes the average person, those who are "on the fence", even a bit shy. I don't quite understand it. This should be so easy. The "nimby issue" is, in my opinion, minor compared to that. Not trying to be fresh here but I have to ask: if we were to rally, what would be the goal? When we were close it was the lack of bodies that set us back.

[LongIsland63SS409]

Art,

"If we were to rally, what would be the goal? When we were close it was the lack of bodies that set us back"

Not to sound mean:

For somebody like myself who loves the hobby I did not even know we were close to any deal. I like many other people were not aware of anything was even on the table.

Goal: To promote awareness of the sport and the revenue/jobs it can provide to the region.

The awareness would also be geared towards Long Islanders who have no interest in the sport. Why? Beause the revenue/jobs it would bring to the region would help all Long Islanders.

Reduce/stabilize taxes on Long Island. My town taxes just went up and have no change in service:confused:

With enough support we can petition our local officials to take another look.

Our local officials are in office because we voted them in. We also have the power to vote them out.

Mike

[novadose454]

Art,

"If we were to rally, what would be the goal? When we were close it was the lack of bodies that set us back"

Not to sound mean:

For somebody like myself who loves the hobby I did not even know we were close to any deal. I like many other people were not aware of anything was even on the table.

Goal: To promote awareness of the sport and the revenue/jobs it can provide to the region.

The awareness would also be geared towards Long Islanders who have no interest in the sport. Why? Beause the revenue/jobs it would bring to the region would help all Long Islanders.

Reduce/stabilize taxes on Long Island. My town taxes just went up and have no change in service:confused:

With enough support we can petition our local officials to take another look.

Our local officials are in office because we voted them in. We also have the power to vote them out.

Mike


the problem with people ..is that they keep voting the same morons back in ...sure we have the power...but we dont use it....really is a pain in the ass when your up against crap like that......btw......do guys have nimbys....??? if so what do girls have....nimbettes??? just wondering.....forget it..lets not make an issue on that...:headbang:

[LongIsland63SS409]

I wish I knew about the deal and how I could have helped sooner.

I want to work a team to acheive our goal.

I want to see a dragstrip on Long Island again. :3gears:

I was able to get two possibly three people plus myself to join LIMA since I joined this forum.

Did anybody see Steve Levy on News 12 talks tonight?

Mike

[novadose454]

no ..i got home too late.....damn....would have like to have watched it....id like to see a dragstrip on long island too....and im sure everyone else does also....
i got two others to join.....also.....might have more down the pike...

[spikeybabe22]

if u go to the io button or channel 612 you can see the li talks from tonight. or on their website.

[Supershafts]

I know the guys at FTHR and WBAB station manager, along with a few others in media.

Wbab won't get involved..were political....and he is a scca racer
FTHR has done a few stories already.... Now i also see someone said they knew nothing of or about this...
We were on news 12 several times and also a long island talks segment...
We were in suffolk life almost weekly....
We were in newsday several times...
We were in riverhead news ...weekly...
A few other long island papers...several times
2 other radio talk stations....a few times
Fliers all over the place...all the time
S&K's monthly magazine
A interview with long islands need for speed...and then they cancelled airing it... which was stupid and they clearly can't/don't understand why...but they too claim they want a facility in the worst way...

Not to mention the sites i go to and unfortunately have to keep there interest peaked...which is more then i care to list...and i shouldn't have to keep there interest...they should want to make sure there not missing anything...

How can someone not have known ? People were calling me at the shop and i continually directed them to LIMA and explained the importance of being a member listed on that site...were talking thousands not 20 or 100. As matter of fact between e-mails and phone calls the week leading up to the single most important show of force i had 2200+ by that friday night all saying "can't wait, this is going to be great, wouldn't miss this for the world" ... i was so sure we were done with the fighting for....only to see 100 people the next day...

On the LIMA site there is a post dealing with the levels of society, which is why many of us believe the society we are in is at the apathy stage.

[Art]

Art,

"If we were to rally, what would be the goal? When we were close it was the lack of bodies that set us back"

Not to sound mean:

For somebody like myself who loves the hobby I did not even know we were close to any deal. I like many other people were not aware of anything was even on the table.

Goal: To promote awareness of the sport and the revenue/jobs it can provide to the region.

The awareness would also be geared towards Long Islanders who have no interest in the sport. Why? Beause the revenue/jobs it would bring to the region would help all Long Islanders.

Reduce/stabilize taxes on Long Island. My town taxes just went up and have no change in service:confused:

With enough support we can petition our local officials to take another look.

Our local officials are in office because we voted them in. We also have the power to vote them out.

Mike

Not mean at all. We never seem to be able to get to everyone. I think at this point the most cost effective way is what we are doing right now,digitally. Everytime you find out about a bulletin board with car enthusiats, talk about it. It costs nothing but time. (which we all have some of) The LIMA Board exists for that very reason, yet is under utilsed. The idea there was instead of going to LIstangs,Lidragracing,SBP and well, you get it, everyone would be able to go one place. It never happened. And whats worse now on some boards, you get received with hostility by merely mentioning the concept or anything. The cost/benefit was explained/shown at the county and Riverhead Town on the Yaphank and Calverton properties resectively. So I am always open to any new ideas. I haven't given up.

[dynodon113]

I went to WBAB when we had the rally at Yaphank . They said they can not get involved
Even offerd to pay . No deal that is why i deleted them from the radio settings

[Suicide666]

I would listen to WBAB if the updated their play list (who needs styx anymore?)
Anf if theuy fired Roger & JP. JP has the worst voice in radio.
Sorry to hijack the thread

[Tmac]

When I went around to the parts houses AID Auto wouldn't let me leave flyers there either saying they didn't want to get political.The only other place was Advanced Auto in Holbrook everybody else was very accommidating.Did we ever try the angle of safer streets and make a flyer to focus on the general public as a quaility of life issue,go outside the motorsports community.I did get positive responses from people at the Riverhead thing with Alan when we were politicing against Cardinale at the shopping ctr. and Art & I did get a positive feel from Ms.Johnson at that libarary in coram.With these people we need to change the sterotypical image of your typical racer from drunken rowdies to inventive engineer a quaility that made America great but is now being restrained by not having a place to test your ideas.

[Supershafts]

.Did we ever try the angle of safer streets and make a flyer to focus on the general public as a quaility of life issue,go outside the motorsports community..


That is part of LIMA's reason for being, it is how i have the scpd with us thru our safety issues of no street racing...
Everytime we speak we always always explain to people how we can stop street racing with a facility...
I never ever leave that out...

LIMA is more then just a single focus on having a facility for racing... but without a facility nothing else can take place, it's also a community outreach venture, teaching and a tool for safety on the street

[novadose454]

has the suffolk police ever backed the drag strip....you hear about how police depts in the united states get out and build thier own car and get people to race them on the track....im sure theyd love to have some fun and not have to chase the crazies up and down the parkways........

[spikeybabe22]

That is part of LIMA's reason for being, it is how i have the scpd with us thru our safety issues of no street racing...
Everytime we speak we always always explain to people how we can stop street racing with a facility...
I never ever leave that out...

LIMA is more then just a single focus on having a facility for racing... but without a facility nothing else can take place, it's also a community outreach venture, teaching and a tool for safety on the street

on lima do you have a thingy...idk what it is called where if someone goes to google and types long island...or racing or whatever keywords they type will bring LIMA up?
google the whole name, and it came up but when i put in long island motorsports it did not...maybe something can be set up so when you type that its the first to pop up.
oh and would Riverhead Raceway let you advertise the forum on their site?

[betcha618]

Thats like a Google Bot. Its goes through the forum and picks out key words. Then it uses them in its search engine. We have it on our board.

[betcha618]

....you hear about how police depts in the united states get out and build thier own car and get people to race them on the track....

I saw that show too. Those cops were cool.

[spikeybabe22]

yeah i didnt know what they were called and i went girly and said thingy lol. we need those.

[betcha618]

he might already have something in place.

[RICHIESBLOWN34]

yeah i didnt know what they were called and i went girly and said thingy lol. we need those.

THINGY.........I have a thingy....:2215:

[novadose454]

:poke:hey richie ..you didnt get the memo??? lets stay on topic....god....must i have to police you guys..its spikey thats the culprit.....

[JAYMAN454]

:poke:hey richie ..you didnt get the memo??? Lets stay on topic....god....must i have to police you guys..its spikey thats the culprit.....

but mr.dose you didn't answer richies question.

[betcha618]

:poke:hey richie ..you didnt get the memo??? lets stay on topic....god....must i have to police you guys..its spikey thats the culprit.....

No, I don't think he got yelled at. :confused:

[spikeybabe22]

:poke:hey richie ..you didnt get the memo??? lets stay on topic....god....must i have to police you guys..its spikey thats the culprit.....
i did not do anything, i stayed on topic and asked a question.
trying to throw me under the bus?:violent1:
:-P

[novadose454]

under the double wheels.....in the back....just stand still....willya......god were all off now..lol.....damn....

[spikeybabe22]

thud thud lol

[novadose454]

awwwwwwwwwwwwww.....i be sorry

[Supershafts]

I would listen to WBAB if the updated their play list (who needs styx anymore?)
Anf if theuy fired Roger & JP. JP has the worst voice in radio.
Sorry to hijack the thread


Actually Roger and JP spoke with me about epcal...and talked about the rally for about 10 minutes, then after that we spoke on the phone a quick little question and answer thing and they were supportive of LIMA...

[Supershafts]

on lima do you have a thingy...idk what it is called where if someone goes to google and types long island...or racing or whatever keywords they type will bring LIMA up?
google the whole name, and it came up but when i put in long island motorsports it did not...maybe something can be set up so when you type that its the first to pop up.
oh and would Riverhead Raceway let you advertise the forum on their site?

Whenever im at RR they talk about LIMA, and make announcements and the site addy...
I never asked them to put a link though on there site

[spikeybabe22]

yeah I heard u when I was there.....but maybe email their webmaster about doing that.

[RICHIESBLOWN34]

:poke:hey richie ..you didnt get the memo??? lets stay on topic....god....must i have to police you guys..its spikey thats the culprit.....

I think i"ve followed the guide lines of this site! Nova stop pointing a fingers at everyone ......remember when you point a finger at someone you have 3 fingers pointing back at you LOL LOL......along with that hockey helmet we need to put a sock in your mouth also!!! :poke:

[novadose454]

I think i"ve followed the guide lines of this site! Nova stop pointing a fingers at everyone ......remember when you point a finger at someone you have 3 fingers pointing back at you LOL LOL......along with that hockey helmet we need to put a sock in your mouth also!!! :poke:

ok ok..ill behave....

[betcha618]

ok ok..ill behave....

:rolleyes:

[LongIsland63SS409]

A Casino and a racetrack at Calverton :3gears:


http://www.longislandpress.com/2009/12/15/feds-approve-shinnecock-recognition/

Mike

[Art]

Well now, that's interesting news.

[novadose454]

there goes the neighborhood..............

[LongIsland63SS409]

Well now, that's interesting news.

Today's Newsday online article.

http://www.newsday.com/long-island/suffolk/shinnecock-ready-for-world-class-casino-but-where-1.1656767

Today's Suffolk addition referenced the Calverton property as a possible casino location.

The online article does not mention Calverton.

Mike

[Tmac]

Notice how nassau politicain jumped on negotations,where are the suffolk pols.What we don't need tax relief.Why they want to be good neighbors to people that would love to see them disappear is beyond me.

[Suicide666]

They will end up in the Catskills......
Nobody likes them, there not indians.

[novadose454]

yup..catskills it is...theres not gonna be any gambling on long island...thats for sure....

[Tmac]

Are these jewish indians?

[novadose454]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....lots of mix in todays indians....ya never know.....chief seymour twodogs...........................has kinda a nice sound ..dont ya think?

[Art]

Its funny. Long Island was so close to a casino when Rockefeller was governor and when he died, it died with him. No Native Americans involved either. Watch as the story unfolds and Suffolk drops the ball on yet another way to reduced taxes for the working class. Grrr.

[Suicide666]

To be honest the casinos are a scam. Look at the surrounding areas of Atlantic City and the ones in CT. They get NO help.

Tribes recognized after the 1934 Indian Reorganization Act are prohibited from having off-reservation land placed into trust.

Gambling is for people who are bad at math period.

[FANTASY FACTORY]

Are these jewish indians?

Billy Chrystal
He owns the majority of the undeveloped property along the Long Beach Boardwalk, and says it will stay that way till someone approves Gambling there! This is a 40 year + battle. very lo profile, for sale? BUY!

[novadose454]

actually the people that live around there...get moved out...rent gets higher...people buy the old buildings and knock them down and build up new ones.....soooooooooo the neighborhood gets a bit better ..but the neighbors get moved out for new ones....

[betcha618]

Gambling is for people who are bad at math period.

or really good at math. If your playing a card game and can count the cards you can seriously sway the odds in your favor. I can't do that but, I've never sat down at a blackjack table and lost. usually come away even. wich after 8 hours of playing, is winning to me cause i drink like a fish for free while i'm playing. ;)

[Suicide666]

actually the people that live around there...get moved out...rent gets higher...people buy the old buildings and knock them down and build up new ones.....soooooooooo the neighborhood gets a bit better ..but the neighbors get moved out for new ones....

Really? Go look at Mohegan Sun. Its crackwhorville.

[betcha618]

yea, they have the same slums in Atlantic City they've always had there. The only thing that improved is the area immediately around the casino n even that was a minimal improvement.

When you have big casino's giving ppl tax breaks that just means lower income ppl can afford to live there. In NY lower income generally means shitholes. cause NY ppl that have money WILL NOT live near lower income ppl.

[Suicide666]

All thoses "indians" offer is bingo, and expired tax free ciga butts.