Political Survey

[Tmac]

A political survey is something I've been pushing for a long time and getting little support,so with that in mind I've decided to take it upon myself with the backing of this site to go foward with this idea.As I'm representing all of the members of this site,and hopefully more,I'm going to post the cover letter and questionaire to be sent out to get your feedback and will need your help to get the addresses of your local townhalls and the board members within.So let me know what you think.
First the letter.
Dear Public Official,
The members of Long Island Drag Racing are seeking some answers to a matter that concerns us,that being the lack of a legal and safe motor sports facility here on Long Island.We are with you when it comes to the dangers of illegal street racing and are seeking to provide a safe and legal facility to ply our sport.We are not looking to impose on any community,even though the imposition of developers has forced us out of business.
All in the motor sports community feel that the government have turned their backs on us thinking we would just go away but we haven't.Sadly we have either had to absorb the added expense of traveling to Jersey,park our machines in the corner of our garages,or unfortunately some have taken to the streets feeling they have no option.This is something we strongly oppose and with your help seek to remedy.
The bill passed by Mr. Cooper to confiscate vehicles to us seems to inhance the danger factor as racers will run rather than loose their vehicle,not a well thought out plan when you don't provide a legal and safe alternative.Also Mr. Cooper put forth a resolution #2006-1253 to look into the possibility of providing a safe alternative but for some reason that resolution was stricken in September of that year without explaination.
Look we're just as and even more so dedicated to our sport as the ball player, golfer,boater you name it. We pay the same taxes work as hard but get in our eyes no respect when it comes to our sport.Drag racing is a uniquely American sport copied around the world,but strongly American as its industrial side is based here,providig jobs for Americans and exporting products around the world,keeping a manufacturing base going as it is a multimillion dollar business.
In the end we are seeking answers from you as to where you stand on the issue of providing a legal safe motor sports facility for Long Islanders to ues and enjoy.
Enclosed is a questionaire with simple yes or no answers for you to fill out.It is being sent to all public officials that represent us from federal to local.We're just seek your honest answers and if you feel the need to explain you may do so with a corespondence on your letterhead.
Looking foward to hearing from and hopefully working with you on this issue,one we are hoping to resolve.We will assume that no reply means you have no interest about this issue and will not send you any future mailings.

Thank you,
The Members of LIDRA

[JAYMAN454]

Its worth a try.I believe if you throw enough crap on the wall some of it has to stick.
The track isn't going to come to us .we have to go get it.

[cowbay]

I say let it fly. Good letter gets to the point without being adversarial.:D

[Suicide666]

They will NEVER supply a spot. Better idea is to find investors, if we can prove they can make a profit.

[Tmac]

1) Do you have any interest in motor sports?
2) Do you know any one interested or involved in motor sports?
3) Are you aware of motor sports deep history here on Long Island?
4)Do you feel the motor sports community is portraied in a bad light,sterotyped?
5) Do you feel with the state of develpoment on L.I. ,that providing a place to build a motor sports facility is feasable?
6) Do you think a professionally operated facility would provide a safe alternative to street racing making our public roads safer and save lives?
7) Do you think laws against street racing will cure this illegal activity?
8) Do you feel high speed pursuit only exhaderates the chance of serious accidents?
9) Do you feel laws such as the vehicle confercation law will promote high speed chases?
10) Do you feel our cause of seeking a safe alternative to street racing has merit and is a goal worth pursuing?
11) Would you be interested in working with us and other public officials to provide a safe haven for racers.
12) Do you think the creation of a safe and legal motor sports facility would enhance life on L.I.,by providing another entertainment venue and provide jobs at the facility and its supporting industries
If you deem it necessary to explain any of your answers feel free to mail a corespondance with your letterhead back with the survey.
The election is over we do not see this as an election issue but a quality of life issue so your honest answers would be greatly appreciated.
These are the questions I've come up with if you can think of anything or think some should be omitted post your opinion.
Your input would be appreciated.
If you can get me the names in your area of the pols and the address of the townhall it would be a big help.

[Tmac]

They will NEVER supply a spot. Better idea is to find investors, if we can prove they can make a profit.
I believe we need their backing from a zoning standpoint.If we can get them on our side I believe a builder will follow.I think it's important to get the political bs done first.

[mikelbeck]

Just make sure you run anything you're gonna send out through a spell checker first!

[novadose454]

anything and everything is worth a try.......who knows ..even an 1/8 mile track is more than we have now....(and i used to hate islip...god....what was i thinking ?)

[Art]

A quick fact. 2006-1253 was withdrawn. Hence no action. Otherwise I say go with it. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

[dynodon113]

Can,t hurt to try to get some support .The only thing is they must be sent cert. mail
so if any thing comes up we can say that they were sent a survey and did no respond and who did .

[Art]

Good idea. Registered Return Reciept Requested goes a long way towards covering the bases.

[spikeybabe22]

oh yeah good idea art!

[cowbay]

Good idea. Registered Return Reciept Requested goes a long way towards covering the bases.

That is ture now it is documented that they recieved the survey and most likely have no choice but to respond to it.

[Supershafts]

I believe we need their backing from a zoning standpoint.If we can get them on our side I believe a builder will follow.I think it's important to get the political bs done first.

There backing....

You need your backing....

When the time comes for a zoning change, it is going to be met with opposition....

It will be who has the loudest voice.... guess what...

Jumping steps 1 thru 3 to get to step 5 is useless and wasteful of time

[Tmac]

Marty I'm not looking to do an end around on your efforts because I respect all you have done,but I can't understand why knowing the stand of the politicains on Long Island wouldn't be helpful.Knowing if they would back the possibility of the creation of a motorsports before wasting the time trying to get one built only to have it be blocked by them.It's your call i will remain silent.

[Art]

I don't think it will hurt to know. I don't know if it will help either, so if you are willing to invest the time and effort, I don't see the harm. Plus (JMO here) having a response from someone (if they give it) gives you/us leverage during any future debate.

[Supershafts]

In the end it all comes down to numbers.... and when everyone is not on the same page when you need numbers they'll drop you like a bad habit..

Tmac just curious, do you think we have not spoken with many politicians, i have heard them lie to me... Do you remember levy handing FB a speech to read for him on our behalf.... Guess what they have done lately when asked after seeing how quickly everyone falls apart....
When you see FB ask him how many times we have spoken with pols and ask him how they put on that excited bs , there all full of bs unless you have numbers that can worry them... and they know as i know this machine has many leaks and loses steam quickly


Anyway the answer is Nothing, they can't even respond to a letter.... Until Everyone learns how to be united anything else is wasted

[spikeybabe22]

Here you are doing what you do best......shooting down everyones efforts...its not good enough....blah blah and yours was? Last time i checked we didnt have a track.

No harm in doing it...

[betcha618]

hes going to tell you its because no one showed up........

wait for it, wait for it..................

[Tmac]

Marty I know you walked the walk,talked the talk and Andy and Alan also along with a few others,but at this point we seem to be dead in the water.
In your eyes what should we be doing?What's your plan people want to know where we go from here.
Before people turn this into an anti Marty thread just remember this he has is and will do more then anyone here and on his dime keep that in mind before you post.I'm for positive feedback!

[JAYMAN454]

marty i know you walked the walk,talked the talk and andy and alan also along with a few others,but at this point we seem to be dead in the water.
In your eyes what should we be doing?what's your plan people want to know where we go from here.
Before people turn this into an anti marty thread just remember this he has is and will do more then anyone here and on his dime keep that in mind before you post.i'm for positive feedback!

i have no problem with marty& never had speaking for myself.

[betcha618]

Marty I know you walked the walk,talked the talk and Andy and Alan also along with a few others,but at this point we seem to be dead in the water.
In your eyes what should we be doing?What's your plan people want to know where we go from here.
Before people turn this into an anti Marty thread just remember this he has is and will do more then anyone here and on his dime keep that in mind before you post.I'm for positive feedback!

But thats the problem, he won't tell anyone his plan till say, a week before we all have to meet somewhere. Thats not enough notice. So if he keeps people in the dark till the moment of truth, we will fail. I keep hearing this cry "we need to stick together" Well, when your "leader" or the guy on the for front of things is not giving us any info its kinda hard to get people interested.

You go and tell someone bout the site and the cause. They ask "well whats in the works as of now?"

and what do we say? "We don't really know whats going on right now, our Fearless leader Marty will decide when we need to know whats going on."

How does that look to people. We can't recruit cause we really have no info.

[JAYMAN454]

Thats a valid point by betcha tmac.we need more than a flyer.we need to
summerize the last 30 years of drag racing on long island in a small book.start with
glory days ,how the tracks got closed down,yaphank,calverton.
How they can join this club.etc.like 5 pages (i don't know how to spell
pamplet?) more detail, make a thread for 1 month on what should be in it.
Edit it & send it out.

[betcha618]

Finally someone else understands. :2215:

[spikeybabe22]

Exactly, and its not of point of him not doing anything, we understand that...but anyone else who tries something he puts them down...and like betcha said...i can tell all the people i want...but if we have no direction their is no need

[Suicide666]

I've mentioned a track to everybody, including street racers. The responce has always been so-so.

[betcha618]

cause theres no real plan to offer them.or any kind of proof of acomplishment at all. At least if we can offer them up some info on what direction we're going in we can get someone interested. Everyone on the streets that i've talked to has the same attitude, "they're never going to build a track. If they build it we'll be there"

But we never know when somethings going untill a couple weeks before which is nowhere near enough time.

we need to know the names of people willing to build a track so when we hit the streets we can at least say " We have so and so interested in building, now we just need to rally the troops to get it done" Then they see something is actually getting done. When there is no sign of hope, there is no support.

[Tmac]

I get what your all saying,that was my idea of doing a political survey.We could at least on paper anyway show people that the pols are behind us or if their not it's a lost cause,without them we will get nothing regardless of the money behind the plan.But showing nothing gets nothing.We are a results driven society.I've done the circuit talked to hundreds of people,most didn't even know about us and many said it will never happen thinking the politicians would stop it.See my point,but Marty has all the connections he's been doing the ground work for a long time.While I don't get the secret society sht I don't want to steer us in a conflicting direction where we end up divided.Marty has the people we don't.
The only thing I will never understand is the race community not getting on board as a whole.You would think that they would at least take a couple minutes to sign up just in case something could be done to show they want it.These simple things will encourage pols and developers,don't you think.

[novadose454]

the people i talk to would love a track back on long island.....but they live in queens and arent going to any meeting out at the end of long island....

[Supershafts]

the people i talk to would love a track back on long island.....but they live in queens and arent going to any meeting out at the end of long island....


Not a dig against you ND454 but .... this is the problem, just like betcha doesn't ever ever seem to understand...

In most cases there is no damn time to take everyone by the hand... There was 2 weeks for most of everything we did till the clock was on count down, then it was WEEKLY to let them SEE the NUMBERS....

That is why i say they need to want it... and obviously they don't...

I was extremely late to my nieces baptism of which i am her God father.... but guess what i sacrificed to make the Yaphank rally....

Of which 180 people also came to.... please don't make up bs excuses for peope they didn't have enough notice, they had plans.... they don't want to sacrifice or do any type of work....
Painting the house, washing the car, yard work, watching the kids, going to the other parked car show is not a reason to blow off trying to fight for a track... if it is then we will never have it.... because even if i get property this afternoon there will be some push not to make it happen...


Once again the bottom line to make it happen is thousands of pissed off people of the motorsports community out in person showing the WORLD yes we want this...

Sorry i have no damned clue why this is so hard to understand...

As for the dragstrip only I know KNOW ONE that wants a SINGLE venue motorsports facility....
So there is only 2 things to do.... find 400 plus or someone that wants to build JUST a dragstrip....

Forget wasting time with these dimwit political leaders, they will not build us anything on there dime or our dime....
When the time comes to change there mind on zoning.... we'll be back to square one...........

Where is EVERYBODY that WANTS this...

We have a site specifically for them to join and when the time comes, there joined up, they'll be notified, can't be notified if you're apart of NOTHING, bottom line there not interested.
Going anywhere beyond getting on board is putting the cart before the horse, sorry if you can't understand this or fail to see the issue why..


Something can happen tomorrow for all you know, and like many other times i had 24 hours notice, and i got 200 people to notifiy and half of them like me will have to make a choice, i know what my choice is, because i want it....

Unfortunately only 200 people will know, because the rest aren't interested and haven't joined, so NOW you see the IMPORTANCE of the flyers pointing them to the site....

Unless you want to run all over with a few thousand fliers with only 6 hours left...

[JAYMAN454]

With the focus on attracting new members.betcha wanted to target the
25 & younger crowd.now i'm to far removed from 25 to know how a 25 year old thinks.is it possible the flyer is to?

[novadose454]

before you figure what that kid thinks....give him a flyer and ask him...racing is racing....and if you like a tuner or not...its still a hot rod....and hed love a place to show it off and see what it really can do.....most of these young kids...and i see them hanging out on franny lew when i gas up ....all seem to have 9 second cars...of course till they go over the lights on a drag strip..they seem to get slower..lol....but i know theyd like to really find out..

[Tmac]

At 52 I don't know what to say to the younger crowd.I'm not into the foreign cars,don't know where they hang out.Racing is racing though and legal and safe should be universal.The younger crowd is more computer savy so it shouldn't be a stretch.The flyer is kind of generic,if someone younger wants to make a new one go for it.Just post it before you distribute it.

[novadose454]

they all talk the universal language...cars....big small foreign or american iron....racing is racing...me im a carborator guy...theyre tuners....but speed and horsepower....god..its universal

[Tmac]

You know in this economy and the strains on government budgets,maybe the government would be interested in selling off some of its property that is doing nothing like Yapank the plan was in place and the location was better butis the elusive builder interested.I would guess there is plenty of cash strapped properties around.The government could sell property and close the budget gap.You would think it would be a win win situation.

[novadose454]

yeah you would think.....but its the people that live around that seems to yell the loudest when it comes to noise...they dont want to hear about anything...traffic etc....theyre all for making the piece of property a park....no buildings...no traffic ...no noise...shame...cause we sure need it...and the technology is there to make it quiet...and peaceful......and more tax money comming in...win win..right....

[Supershafts]

With the focus on attracting new members.betcha wanted to target the
25 & younger crowd.now i'm to far removed from 25 to know how a 25 year old thinks.is it possible the flyer is to?


Jay we have no problem with talking to any person involved or looking to get involved with any type of motorsports, we don't have a language or age barrier of talking with the younger crowd that isn't the problem.
The issue lies within them going home and going to a web site and actually becoming a member, i have told everyone i handed a flyer to you do not have to say anything on the message board.... BUT when the time comes for you to know when and where to be to fight for the supposed interest that you LOVE you will not know about it since you did not join and there is no way of contacting you....

I don't know how else to word a flyer that as it is handed to them is explained with detailed information and all questions answered then...

Like ND454 said
before you figure what that kid thinks....give him a flyer and ask him...racing is racing....and if you like a tuner or not...its still a hot rod....and hed love a place to show it off and see what it really can do....

That's the bottom line, i have never had anyone not understand the flyer or anything we discussed, but i have had them say stupid stupid comments like... it'll never happen, we won't get anything...and i say with your infectious attitude you'll surely prove me wrong, and there doing a good job with there apathy stricken views...

Our flyer has never been done in code Jay, they just always have something better to do...

[Supershafts]

You know in this economy and the strains on government budgets,maybe the government would be interested in selling off some of its property that is doing nothing like Yapank the plan was in place and the location was better butis the elusive builder interested.I would guess there is plenty of cash strapped properties around.The government could sell property and close the budget gap.You would think it would be a win win situation.


I wonder how well levy remembers that little talk we had right about now dealing with right here as we walked together to his car....

I wonder if he can hear the words, sir you are making 1 of the singlemost mistakes you could make as a CE that's 1st priority is to be making sure the county can grow if you do not listen to those peoples cries and use that property correctly...
I'll bet you he can't remember the conversation now while the county falls into a situation where had he listened, that 100mil or more might not have been such a killer...

How are those houses coming stevey, you see you don't know better steve.. Who would have predicted i would be able to tell so many "I told you so" I loved telling cardinale about his bs budget that would be so far in debt that his only chance was going with us.... He'll be 10 mil or double before he is out, and that goes for all the RHT residents that told me i don't know politics in RHT lmao... I gotta go listen to that phone message again lol

[RICHIESBLOWN34]

At 52 I don't know what to say to the younger crowd.I'm not into the foreign cars,don't know where they hang out.Racing is racing though and legal and safe should be universal.The younger crowd is more computer savy so it shouldn't be a stretch.The flyer is kind of generic,if someone younger wants to make a new one go for it.Just post it before you distribute it.

Nassau Collisiem car show is in 2 weeks , I will be putting a car and my bike in the show, get me some flyers and I will give them out at the show. Design sometimg you like ,get them to me with maybe a little stand and I will distribute them that weekend. Will be many people of all ages so it might help, after all it is a car show with car people

[Tmac]

yeah you would think.....but its the people that live around that seems to yell the loudest when it comes to noise...they dont want to hear about anything...traffic etc....theyre all for making the piece of property a park....no buildings...no traffic ...no noise...shame...cause we sure need it...and the technology is there to make it quiet...and peaceful......and more tax money comming in...win win..right....
That Yapank property is right between Sunrise and the LIE near a landfill and industry exit 65 to 66 on the expressway.Not to far out like EPCAL and right off the expressway,no local traffic to me the best site going from every point.Plus the land is tainted so the residential idea requires major cleanup,that cost mega dollars.Can't afford that.

[spikeybabe22]

what show is it ? need a bike model..ok im not close to a model lol...but still

[RICHIESBLOWN34]

Its starts the Friday after Thanksgiving thru Sunday. A far as a model, never thought of it ....but if I could get someone....lets say like you Spikey..............to put on a thong, I think we have a chance of getting a crowd around my display,,,,! And then you could hand out the flyers ....yes I think that could work.... how about it ? We would have all the guys down at my spot with you there and for all the women maybe we could get Novadose to put on a spandex bananna hamock to attract the women ..... sounds like a plan , how about it eh !

[spikeybabe22]

im not thong in public material lol. im a mommy rem. lol kids leave marks. hamock...that would draw a crowd. lol

[spikeybabe22]

LOL hhahahahaahaha squeeze pimples lol speedo thong lol....youre on.

[novadose454]

fuckin A

[RICHIESBLOWN34]

Is that a yes ....yes.... with the both of you ? I am putting new batteries in my camera for this one !!!!Way to go Spikey and nd454, I cant wait for this .....

[novadose454]

shit man..we re gonna burn that lens off the camera......its gonna be like....sewage filled radio active land fill polluting radioactive nuclear power station waste..............

[RICHIESBLOWN34]

Lock the doors ...we got a party going on...

[spikeybabe22]

shit man..we re gonna burn that lens off the camera......its gonna be like....sewage filled radio active land fill polluting radioactive nuclear power station waste..............

speak for urself..I said I wast walking around in a thong in public. material.

[betcha618]

Tara thats the Thanksgiving show we went to go to the one year and they moved it to some college. Rich are you sure its at the collesium this year?

[novadose454]

speak for urself..I said I wast walking around in a thong in public. material.

is ..wast....=...wasnt?....or was...? lost me there...? typo for sure...

[spikeybabe22]

is ..wast....=...wasnt?....or was...? Lost me there...? Typo for sure...
wasnt

[novadose454]

figured that..

[novadose454]

LOL hhahahahaahaha squeeze pimples lol speedo thong lol....youre on.

sounded like you said yes..in this post.... awwwwwwwww

[spikeybabe22]

I did to the t shirt part not to the walking around in a thong.

[novadose454]

well im not walking in a speedo either...
guess richie will have to be on his own

[spikeybabe22]

LOL gayyyyy

[novadose454]

lez lol

[spikeybabe22]

lol lez...I didn't mean gayyy literally figuretively speaking.

[RICHIESBLOWN34]

Tara thats the Thanksgiving show we went to go to the one year and they moved it to some college. Rich are you sure its at the collesium this year?

Yes it is, I do remember it being moved to a college afew years back for some reason but it is back at the colliseim this year.

[RICHIESBLOWN34]

well im not walking in a speedo either...
guess richie will have to be on his own

Now whose CHICKEN SHIT now....eh....not enough material to cover the elephant trunk ?

[spikeybabe22]

Oh that was a visual ewww.

[novadose454]

just call me tripod..

[spikeybabe22]

oh boy double ewwwwwww

[novadose454]

oh double ewwww back at ya

[spikeybabe22]

lol..ill prolly go sunday....imm going home for thanksgiving.

[novadose454]

wheres home?

[Tmac]

Somewhere buried in the postings is a flyer you can download,don't remember where.Maybe Mike Beck could pull it up.

[betcha618]

theres a link in this thread 5th post down:
http://www.ligbody.com/viewtopic.php?t=87

[Supershafts]

If you follow this link it'll take you to the archive section and then you will look for membership flier, then you can print them

http://www.limotorsports.net/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=52

[spikeybabe22]

ha be "straight up" lol...sorry dirty mind lol

[spikeybabe22]

lol :-)

[betcha618]

i don't think the size is as important as the content on the flyer/card

[Tmac]

i don't think the size is as important as the content on the flyer/card
Flyers are cheaper to print and in my case free.There was one I did for this site before LIMA existed that kind of said it all it buried here somewhere maybe upgrade to put LIMA on it.THere was also a LIMA one with this site on it.Question of the day should we have two different flyers for each site as this one promotes drag racing only and LIMA is for all motor sports?People can connect to LIMA from here.

[Supershafts]

The problem is to many different pulls...
With the different worded fliers is confusion...

One site promotes talk, one site promotes history, one site has a blog, one site hood winked the businesses..

Only one site is a tool that fights for making history a reality which is what your wants are... That's the flier

So why have people go in 5 different directions...
Just to become disheartened, which is what happens... oh just another .... no there just another

[betcha618]

But a lot more people use tjis board on a day to day basis. If they go to LIMA and see oh 2 people visited the site today, doesn't look good for an "organization" you have to get people to start posting over their more and start actually putting updates and iformation over there. I look at this site everyday because everytime i sign into LIMA.... nothing, I come over here and get more info (as scarce as it may be) then i do signing in over on the LIMA boards/.

[mikelbeck]

But a lot more people use tjis board on a day to day basis. If they go to LIMA and see oh 2 people visited the site today, doesn't look good for an "organization" you have to get people to start posting over their more and start actually putting updates and iformation over there. I look at this site everyday because everytime i sign into LIMA.... nothing, I come over here and get more info (as scarce as it may be) then i do signing in over on the LIMA boards/.

Plus this site is a lot more fun. ;-)

:headbang:

[JAYMAN454]

plus this site is a lot more fun. ;-)

:headbang:

true better format & more user friendly.this site seems like a
version of the lima site that evolved & became far superior.

[JAYMAN454]

i don't think the size is as important as the content on the flyer/card

whats good about a card is you can have it on you 24/7.you
never no when your going to meet a potential member.

[novadose454]

three by five? too big?

[Tmac]

whats good about a card is you can have it on you 24/7.you
never no when your going to meet a potential member.
I keep a shopping bag behind the seat in my truck with stuff in it but I guess any method is a good method as long as we spread the word.I see this site as the drag racing site and LIMA as our political front.You can connect to there from here and I do let new members know when ever they sign up.

[Supershafts]

But a lot more people use tjis board on a day to day basis. If they go to LIMA and see oh 2 people visited the site today, doesn't look good for an "organization" you have to get people to start posting over their more and start actually putting updates and iformation over there. I look at this site everyday because everytime i sign into LIMA.... nothing, I come over here and get more info (as scarce as it may be) then i do signing in over on the LIMA boards/.

Really, where does the info come from?

Everything here has been there.

I can put up all kinds of nonsense everyday, like the meeting in the hamptons, but why, no one will go, and then people will bitch like even you do about notice, guess what 95% of the time the notice is one day or even hours...and that at time dictates other actions to be even less time, it's just the way this is...
So im going to put up extra info so i can get complaints... I don't want to run a talk site, or a complaint site, i am running a site that takes some work off of me from having to contact thousands of people, and explain to thousands of people one at a time, or sending thousands of e-mails out all the time on every little thing...

Like i tell everyone, you have a question, post it... i told them im not chasing after them for there questions , you now have an association, you have a site, join it... bottom line, if not you don't want it


Being here is great, but if you didn't join LIMA when the e-mail or post you need to know about goes out you don't get it..
Like i said above, by joining the sites that talk,blog,act as, you miss the ball and miss your chance....
They can join and talk on those sites all day...but i don't e-mail or post news on them... like i said since day one...if people are that lazy they can't join or look in here or there...they have no one to blame but themselves.


A good example....the biz site just pulls membership away, there is probably a few thousand over there, no one is fighting for them, im out all the the time i see what these other supposed sites do, there not at meetings they should be at, not pushing there view anywhere, not one of these other sites were out pushing or helping in anyway other then being online, when anything was going on they were online...
They don't even link to eachother or us.


There is nothing going on right now betcha, the economy is down, until it levels off somewhere nothing will go ahead further ... how do you put a price on something that is changing everyday..... You can't, so you can't buy it...

No one is going to charge the county building and make levy change his mind on the sale or lease of yaphank....

Unless im wrong, but i have not seen a few thousand contact me and say we're ready....

There is nothing going on that needs any help from anyone at this time other then getting people on the same page for the same goal...
Then when the time comes there ready...
However with people losing there jobs and towns more and more looking like there going under, and people losing there homes, i doubt this is most peoples issue right now, like it is most other times...

Technically if levy wasn't so thick we should have heard from him weeks, months ago, but even he knows throwing yaphank out there now won't change the budget next year, but it would still help the following year, yet he blunders again...

[betcha618]

Really, where does the info come from?

RIGHT FROM YOUR BOARD:

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c311/betcha618/limastats.jpg





I can put up all kinds of nonsense everyday, like the meeting in the hamptons, but why, no one will go, and then people will bitch like even you do about notice,


THIS IS THE PROBLEM.....

[Tmac]

That I&A Motor Club I believe are the folks I meet at that show in Patchogue.They told me they were going to sign up as a group under their club name.I'm not sure of the membership but there was about 30 cars at that event.How many guys here are members of clubs that aren't signed up.Maybe whrn clubs sign on they should post their member numbers.Not to get Marty's back but he has always said people that sign up don't have to be active members they just need to check the board once a week to see if something is going on.Why we don't have more members here and there is beyond me.We have tried everything to make it easy,I guess either people don't want it or check us out and see us picking each other apart and figure we're going nowhere.A united and professional front is what we need to show to be taken seriously with racers and the politicians.
If you've gone to any town halls and watch these civic associations they come off as well spoken and knowledgeable even though they might only be ten frustrated housewives,they are taken seriously.If we act or come off like them we might get their attention.Racers have a sterotype attached that is something we don't want to feed to,it's something we have to change if we don't we will get nothing.Remember Alan (Fordboy) he was our tv rep.we need to use him as an example on how we should handle things.
The people that are against us need to understand we're just like them.We work as hard respect the laws but like to race cars so what's wrong with that?

[Supershafts]

Not to get Marty's back but he has always said people that sign up don't have to be active members they just need to check the board once a week to see if something is going on.

Exactly what i tell each and everyone of them.





If you've gone to any town halls and watch these civic associations they come off as well spoken and knowledgeable even though they might only be ten frustrated housewives,they are taken seriously.If we act or come off like them we might get their attention.

Well spoken and knowledgeable.....whooaaa there i sat thru more bs sessions then i care to remember, time i cannot recoup, a good amount of my life lost sitting thru them, some of them can't make any sense and most of anything they say is made up boogie man in the closest bs, I have proven that every chance i get... Unfortunately what i have learned is people don't believe fact and truth, they follow the bs'er that has a good story, perfect example, who is the town sup of rht...i have and gave fact that town would be 10 mil in the hole before next election, and as of now they sit 6 mil in the red...they have another year to go.

[Supershafts]

THIS IS THE PROBLEM.....



So now do you get the problem betcha , or you still don't get it...


Let me try it differently...

All of them want me to bring motorsports back to and for them all by myself without any help or participation from them...

The problem is THEM, not the site, not me, not ECR, TG, RC...

I simply look back and blame all those people that bitch to me, that i never see any of them anywhere else but when it's beneficial for them to see me, which of course is while there doing what they want... if i seen all those people 1 day at the grumman property, right now i would be posting pictures of what was done today at the site in epcal on the motorsports news section, or the Epcal motorsports park section of LIMA...

[JAYMAN454]

Anyone bringing fliers to the car show friday?

[JAYMAN454]

I open the zip file from lima & its blank

[JAYMAN454]

Rich has 2 spots

[RICHIESBLOWN34]

Rich has 2 spots

I will be in a group of 10 cars this weekend, get me the flyers ....!

[JAYMAN454]

i will be in a group of 10 cars this weekend, get me the flyers ....!

rich i got a little table for the fliers if you want.

[RICHIESBLOWN34]

rich i got a little table for the fliers if you want.

Good Jay , you could drop it of at my office if you like or Ill meet up with you tomorrow , ill be there as usual at 1 pm:2215:

[novadose454]

got a little chair for his little table?....maybe some little silverware and a few dollies..?

[JAYMAN454]

good jay , you could drop it of at my office if you like or ill meet up with you tomorrow , ill be there as usual at 1 pm:2215:

o.k. I'll give you a call

[JAYMAN454]

got a little chair for his little table?....maybe some little silverware and a few dollies..?
we could get a bowl of water & some flys for you know who.

[RICHIESBLOWN34]

Just need the bowl of water......He already comes with the flys

[Tmac]

I faxed flyers to Novadose this morning don't know if he got them.Fax reply said normal response.

[Supershafts]

He has them...

[JAYMAN454]

Rich has the the fliers,nova made 450.good to go.

[novadose454]

then i guess we did it.....even with a short notice....way to go guys...

[JAYMAN454]

then i guess we did it.....even with a short notice....way to go guys...

& turtles

[novadose454]

yup..fred helped too
best copier tech i have

[spikeybabe22]

great job guys!!!!!! A+ for effort.

[RICHIESBLOWN34]

Dont forget to bring Fred to the show ...I understand he like to go to car shows also !

[spikeybabe22]

nova you bring him every where dont you ? :-)

[novadose454]

fred ..unfortunately is visiting his folks ..out of state...but says and wishes all a happy thanksgiving....hell be around for the car shows though.....also wants to meet the two females on the forum..