If Levy And Cooper Can't Find A Dragstrip Maybe We Can? [Archive]

dynodon113

02-09-2008, 08:06 PM

Tmac

02-09-2008, 11:45 PM

Don it would be a good idea to get a copy of that report first before sending any of our ideas to them first.Politics being what it is things can be changed.We want to know their mindset before we introduce our ideas.We may be able to corner them this way,by giving them our info we could be giving them time to make a case against up front.I have a friend who works traffic safety I'll give him a call and see if he can get us a copy under the radar.Are we sure that was the report/study #? We need to have a leg up on them so when we present our stuff we can reference their report to back it.

dynodon113

02-10-2008, 08:18 PM

I Have A Copy Of The Resolution #1253-2006 Updated Version As Of 3-6-06
It's On The L.i.m.a. Board Under (what Ever Happend To This )
You Are Rite Lets No Show Our Card's Yet.
I Wonder Who Pay's For All The Fire Dept Practice Tracks
The One For Ridge Is Awsome
THE RESOLUTION DOES NOT GIVE THE FINDINGS THAT IS WHAT WE NEED TO GET

Tmac

02-11-2008, 10:24 AM

We do as tax payers,but being a volunteer service for life risking tasks I have no problem with that.Some of those Mega fire houses bother me though it's a lot of wasted space.Another though maybe incorporate fire dept comp track with us a state of the art complex with fire supression and all good for all.
Don i went to the LIMA board and couldn't find your post.Is it posted under antisocial?If so my system can't retrive that file.Does anybody know how to retrive acrobat files with windows vista program?:sign5:

dynodon113

02-11-2008, 02:00 PM

Yea Anti Social Posted It

Tmac

02-12-2008, 01:16 AM

My buddy sent me a copy of the resolution which was stricken on 9-14-06 I have it in my email but don't know how to post from there.If someone wants to pm me an email address I will send to you with the two other things I got.It's not to informative though.It does state a comission was setup with someone from the NHRA & NDRA though no names given.

prostang

02-23-2008, 10:11 AM

I Am Sending Levy And Cooper Info About Farmingdale. There Are Jeeps And Other Dodge's . I Guess They Are From The Dodge Dealer On Conklin St.(anybodt Know Anyone There For Info ). Maybe If We Got Info On Other Places We Can Back Levy And Cooper Up Against The Wall.
Like Farmingdale
Maybe A Airport That Has Extra Room?
Republic ?
The One At Exit 61 Sunrise By L.i.d.
Use Your Brain Google It
Lets See If We Can Come Up With Somthing?
I Am Also Asking Both For The Results From Resolution #1253-2006
Lets See What It Has To Say.

We Are Not Going Away!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The area that you're talking about in F'dale with the cars parked on it, is it the land on the north side of Conklin St opposite the movie theater and airport plaza?

Tmac

02-23-2008, 10:47 PM

The area that you're talking about in F'dale with the cars parked on it, is it the land on the north side of Conklin St opposite the movie theater and airport plaza?
Yes that's the place with the LIRR on the north side,some abandon buildings that were Fairchilds.It you are near there there's a plaque on the site which should give which govt agency controls it.State`land Ive been told.I wouldn't ask at the dealer as he uses this space conflict of interest.

Art

02-24-2008, 02:54 PM

While we are looking at this, mtbmopar over on the LIMA board says that is DOT land. He also works at the DOT (no juice though) but something helpful to know. I wonder if we approach this correctly,tapping into the SCPD,AAA (they are in Garden City and are pro training and a sponser of motorsports) the Legislature and all, if we can have enough to overcome the nimby's that are sure to come out of the woodwork if we get a spot. (the ridge civic association experience is still vivid in my head....)

Tmac

02-24-2008, 06:03 PM

Art being a DOT controled property is a big plus.This place if your not familiar with it is surrounded by anything but residential.Being under the control of DOT we may be able to get them to build it in some sort of a traffic safety scenario,where it can be leased to an assoc. like LIMA to be used for driver training,the alternative to street racing.If we could throw in the fire dept.comp. site too,we could get the public support to boot.There should be a site or state id # if your friend could get that we could bang heads and makeup a plan to submit.To the volunteer fire guys out there would this be something you guys would be interested in?We all should take a serious look at this place a lot of hurdles we run into elsewhere are already settled here.NOISE AIRPORT.This area might even fall under Jon Copper's Jurisdiction remember him the author of the bill to solve street racing.Put his feet to the fire.There's a lot of positives here.Would be a great place no but it would definately be a good one.

dynodon113

02-24-2008, 08:42 PM

Just pulled coopers dist up he only goes as low as huntington sta. and greenlawn. i think it will be Steve bellone of town of babylon??
how did you find out that it was d.o.t. . i have had no luck finding out anything about it.

Art

02-25-2008, 10:18 AM

I attended the Ridge Civic associations meeting last week. They are gathering momentum to get a full review of the EPCAL property and a SEQUA.
While there I met mtbmopar from the LIMA board. He said he works for the DOT and that is what he told me about that land. He is a low level employee there. He is just a fan of drag racing, no car or anything and is interested in helping out. More folks like him is what we need more than anything. He has done the letter writing, stood in the cold on 5/6/07, etc. He could be pullin' my chain too, so take it for what it is worth.

dynodon113

02-25-2008, 11:18 AM

All Are Welcome , A Fan Is Just As Important As A Racer . We Just Have To Get That Through To Everybody Else. Mtbmopar Thanks.

Tmac

02-25-2008, 09:52 PM

Getting a real copy of the findings of that Cooper resolution would be important so we can devise a plan.Is anyone here connected or have connections with people in the NHRA or NDRA a member from each was part of this committee.My friend in traffic safety sent me what appears to be an outline or scope of what went on but no details.It's in the details that we need to be.That Farmingdale property could probably be found out about by calling the guy in charge of real estate and surplus property,it would be real helpful here if we had the site # posted by the state there.They always do this,a plaque by a gate or along the road.They the Cooper group might have come up with several senario's or they might have said it couldn't be done,either way we need to know their mindset,We will eventually need to deal with them.If we do our homework and research we can make a case ask the pertinent questions and have their answers before they respond via that fn report.The only other thing we need is numbers on the sites,then a small group can speak for an association.This is in a nut shell our main problem the very people that want it wount take the time to join,a couple of minutes on line while the others willing to do the legwork spend countless hours trying to make it happen.Be prepaired before we do battle or will lose.

dynodon113

02-25-2008, 10:04 PM

Art

02-26-2008, 11:00 AM

No chain pulling, I've alway been a motorsports fan, But what I said was I THINK its DOT property, because they own the airport.

Public appology due. I need to pay closer attention when listening. And I'm just a tad suspicious of folks until I know them a bit, so hence the "chain pulling" disclaimer. Sorry 'bout that.

Tmac

02-26-2008, 08:48 PM

The letters are in the mail. registerd so they can,t say they did not get them.
Once we get report we can have a meeting like we did with l.i.m.a.
and form a battle plan.I am all in took off four days last year for news 12 interveiws they cut those to shit!!!!!!!!. so all is good here
Exactly what needs to be done,and LIMA,not that I can talk for the Assoc.should be the representing body to bring our ideas to the table.We need to appear as an organization not just a bunch of guys getting together with politicians to have a screaming match,but to sit in a professional manner to discuss the situation at hand.We can probably hash out most of the stuff on line but should meet eventually to put the final plan together and get to know each other a little so we don't look confused at any political meetings.Again I can't stress this enough we need numbers on the sites,they will be looking to see if we have a base of support.
They all know we are being screwed and what we are looking for we deserve but as long as there's no support we mind as well keep bending over.
Come on people take a minute to sign up you have nothing to lose and everything to gain:poke:

cowbay

02-26-2008, 09:32 PM

I agree probably the most important thing before going in front of any board it should be done as an organization. This catches politicians attention and take it more seriously. I know from personal experience I belong to a contractors organization where the town takes us seriously where before we were a peice of meat they used to chew on. Now whenever legislation comes up concerning contractors they call us for our input, not that they always listen to us, but that is better than before. If they try to put the screws to us they know we will be out in numbers. Politicians for some reason understand organizations. As time goes on they should be coming to us on how we can all solve this problem. So I vote lets get organized!

Antisocial

02-27-2008, 05:01 AM

The most important thing is to find someone with enough money to build a track. Then they must be able to take all the shit that will be thrown at then to build it[look at F1motorsports, 2 years approved and still they can't break ground for a fucking go-kart track!]. Then when everything comes together and opening day is a success, there must be enough money to fight to keep it open from every scumbag that can't see anyone have any fun. But hey, we all can dream right?

Art

02-27-2008, 11:06 AM

Some of you I have met only once, at a meeting,car show or a rally somewhere. Others I know only from here as a familiar, yet faceless screen name. And some I have gotten to know a bit. There are still others who lurk, yet are not ready to commit. The stumbling block if you will seems to be a multitude of basic life issues. Some guys work nights, others have no time, some still don't trust the internet, family issues, and more than a few have been alienated in some way. I am in no way able to solve any of those things. I have found, for me, to concentrate on the issue or principle of what the big picture is and avoid dwelling on potential "personality" issues. Not easy but doable. So put me on board as willing to go the distance.
As far as private development goes, I personally feel that will be a very tough go. Unless the EPCAL site becomes available again,(which is a possibility) I cannot see a viable opportunity for a large developer such as REXCORP to be interested. Not to say I won't continue to strive towards that goal.
For a drag racing facility of some kind, be it 1/8 mile or what ever, I still feel that some form of public/private deal is going to be our best bet. I look at video from the street legal drags that they ran/run in the parking lot at Fontana (the California Speedway) and I am sure it can be done here too. Every other "hobby" has some form of public subsidized location. Golf, tennis, little league, boaters, r/c planes, steam locomotives, firearms, archery, soccer, and lets not even get going on pro sports. Everything just mentioned gets some form of assistance and I'm sure I missed more than a few. For instance , the local quilting club gets the use of a room in a town building (for a contribution I'm sure) so why not us?? A secure parking lot, some timing equipment, some of those concrete barriers.... nothing fancy. Is it going to be perfect? Not for everyone, and that might be a problem. but it is a start.
So maybe next month when it warms up a bit, we gather somewhere maybe where you were going to be anyway, and lets get some ideas to attract the members we need to get noticed.

dynodon113

02-27-2008, 11:18 AM

I know there were other people looking to build a track on L.I. at one time.
i think it was monticavo or nobile . don't know for shure . i was told one or the other tried to buy l.i.d. . but the penguin would not sell it to anyone who was to keep it a track . it would just go to show how bad he ran it that someone else would have made it great with a little work. i will try to contact NHRA div 1 rep and see what they think or have someone that might want to get involved
can't hurt????????

dynodon113

02-27-2008, 01:30 PM

Posted In Wrong Spot
Just Sent Bob Lang A E-mail Div. 1 Nhra Director To See If Nhra Knows Or Has Anyone Looking To Build A Track On Long Island . See What They Say

Tmac

02-27-2008, 10:18 PM

The Issues
(1)To be an organization,A group of representatives can address the issues and meet with or petition politicians for our cause.A small group speaks for the whole.Organizations are an effective tool when it comes to politics.
Problem we need more numbers in membership.Not needing to be active members but to agree with and act with group decisions.All voting age and registered to vote.
(2)An entity to build a track and or facility.
Possible solution at least as it comes to government owned land.A multi purpose facility that can be shared by racers law enforcement and fire dept.'s built buy the government to suit the needs.Possible lease operation of some sort of member or coop involving dues or fees for participants to use facility.
The sales pitch.If government is so dedicated to solving illegal street racing on Long Island the use of surplus property that could solve this problem,along with providing law enforcement and local F.D.'s with a state of the art testing and competition facility.A glory road for a forward thinking politician providing braging rites come election time.I TOOK ON THE PROBLEM AND SOLVED IT and also provided a state of the art facility for those who protect us to hone their skills.
Never happen you say.Has it ever been tried I ask.The politicians wount go for it.One that's trying to make a name for himself will(LEVY)I mean Governor Levy.As much as you hate him he steps outside the box on issues, illegal immigration for one,and gets recognition or it.Don't forget both parties backed him last go round
The NIMBY factor.Do you think they will stand in the way of a facility that the life savers could practice on.They don't complain about mega firehouses.
(3)Sharing information and ideas Daaaaa!that's what these sites are all about.For those affraid to use a computer,come out of the past before your past by.For those who can't afford a computer Libraries have them or maybe we could start a newsletter for members.
(4) The defeated.In the motorsports community I just don't get it.Besides being one of the most unorganized groups I've ever been involved with these site and organizations setup with hours of devotion by a small group of very dedicated and determined people(I'm not one of them)have made the imformation and opportunity for getting something done at your fingertips and give the opportunity for minimal time to have your voice heard.
Solutition IT"S UP TO YOU TO JOIN.
Must sleep now brain cells depleated.:hello:

Supershafts

02-29-2008, 07:17 PM

1. The most important thing is to find someone with enough money to build a track.

2. Then they must be able to take all the shit that will be thrown at then to build it
3. Then when everything comes together and opening day is a success, there must be enough money to fight to keep it open from every scumbag that can't see anyone have any fun. But hey, we all can dream right?

(we need that eeeeh buzzer)

1. The most important thing is for people to stand united, then people with money won't have to worry about losing there investment

2. The people when they eventually get united will protect the builder/owner and they'll ne nothing to worry about

3. When everything comes together and people ACTUALLY DO what they say , we will have and be able to keep it...

No reason to dream, everyone has balls and a mouth, there just never both engaged or engaged correctly

How many times do you think levy and co will want to deal with 10,000 people marching on the haup building, or the monthly meeting before they very quickly do something....well when you can get the rest of the pussy nay sayers to stop wearing the pink panties and yellow shirts let me know, im will to lead that fight right NOW! ! ! ! ! !

Just to add to some things....

When lid was closing how many of you protested to the fat boy....? ? ? how many of you used to go and ask him beggingly like how does it look for next weekend? ? ?

The only track i was ever involved with that was backed and fought for was bridgehampton, and if not for a corrupt judge still be here today....

Tmac

02-29-2008, 10:49 PM

Maybe we should revisit the road we've been down and create a strategy,see what we agree upon and where some of us part company.It's where we part is why we fail.What went wrong in the past(made people give up or feel left out)Take a hard honest look at ourselves and our situation and agree upon a plan to follow to achieve our goal.
First I think we all agree being organized is the way to go,but organizations are more effective with numbers.We need to get more people involved,even people from out of town who will come to use the facility showing a real world financial viability.That's up to us goal # 1
Second every organization has a cabinet(Leaders to coordinate and determine a path to follow with group input,but the group agreeing to the guidelines of the officials it put in place and to the decisions that come out of meetings with civic grps, pols.Goal to effectively and in a professional manner champion our cause with such groups.Shouting matches don't work,they out shout by standing arrogantly silent because they know it's their choice in the end.The more you act like them the more you scare them.
Third we need to find out the real answers from that resolution study to know the mindset of the people who determine our fate.Goal we want to know their answers before we ask the question.Facts are facts and having what they concluded can be used against them.Having a well structured plan of attack is how you win the battle
Fourth we need to find out if we can deliver a location can we get a builder,or devise a plan where maybe the government would build it a multi purpose facility with fd and police uses for testing and competitions.
Fifth get support from suppliers,dealers and the service industry to come on board.We have some but the ones on individual sites should be on the LIMA site under the specific sport.This will show the people that investigate our site the financial impact motorsports has to the L.I. economy.It might not be a bad idea to list those places lost by the loss of racing facilities also.
As for the organization we have it,LIMA
As for the cabinet we have most of that.Maybe some of the elder statesmen could post a little resume about themselves in introductions for the new folks,but we all know who's walked the line and why they deserve it.
Each division of LIMA IE ;karting,dirt,drags,circle should have a division head.Most assoc.'s already do,that can meet as a whole to discuss strategies and information for the greater good of the motorsports community and then post on their individual sites or newsletters,meeting results of topics concerning their sport.

Supershafts

03-01-2008, 02:11 PM

Look at all the orgs that actually flex there muscles.....how many of you have been held up at a dare check point or madd check point....
Do you think they get check points set up because they sat by idling awaiting someone to do something for them....absolutely not...they marched those people, they marched with thousands of them thru days off from work, some paying to have there kids watched, they sacrificed for what they believed in, they fought for it...now look at how they got it and there listened to...

Simple process it's participation and communication, not everything can be fought from a letter, phone call and computer...That all works when the group has been seen....when the people have seen the actual numbers of the group then you can sit and make phone calls and letters...
Gotta get out there and be seen and heard..

This is LIMA, this is Not the Teamsters or another Union....they did there fighting, now they can sit back while 1 cracks the whip...but make no mistake if need be there is many numbers willing to do what's needed..we haven't been the big number doing anything yet...been the same few talking about the big number...and making excuses for the big number....

Tmac

03-01-2008, 07:23 PM

How did they get all those people to march?

Supershafts

03-01-2008, 09:08 PM

They believe in what there fighting for, they truly want it to work.....

Art

03-03-2008, 10:58 AM

Losing a loved one or family member to someone who was driving while impaired seems to be the motivating factor. I have never had to deal with it (fortunately) so I cannot begin to imagine what it must be like.

Supershafts

03-03-2008, 12:19 PM

I have lost a few to just such incidents, and i also have many questions as to why it happened to begin with...and what was going on behind the wheel in both cars in a few incidents...

betcha618

03-04-2008, 05:54 PM

I'm down for whatever. Marty you know I was showing up to everything for a while. Unfortunately a couple family matters had me in and out of the state dozens of time for the last couple months but I'm back and ready to get involved with whatever we have to do.

Supershafts

03-11-2008, 07:56 PM

I hear you , don't worry if somethig is happening i'll let you know.

As of now i made a few calls and im waiting to hear something back on property

dynodon113

11-06-2008, 01:33 PM

I Am Sending Levy And Cooper Info About Farmingdale. There Are Jeeps And Other Dodge's . I Guess They Are From The Dodge Dealer On Conklin St.(anybodt Know Anyone There For Info ). Maybe If We Got Info On Other Places We Can Back Levy And Cooper Up Against The Wall.
Like Farmingdale
Maybe A Airport That Has Extra Room?
Republic ?
The One At Exit 61 Sunrise By L.i.d.
Use Your Brain Google It
Lets See If We Can Come Up With Somthing?
I Am Also Asking Both For The Results From Resolution #1253-2006
Lets See What It Has To Say.

We Are Not Going Away!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I called the broker for that property on Conklin between rt. 110 and New hwy they only own the 3 acres at the New Hwy end of prop. They said the rest of the property is owned by town of Babylon . There is not enough room to do a 1/8 mile cause the last 3 acres are only to compliment Air Port Plaza ( retail space only ) Just what we need more empty stores !!!!!
Did not hurt to check it out you never know what might happen

Tmac

11-06-2008, 07:30 PM

Nothing ventured nothing gained.It was worth a shot.

spikeybabe22

11-07-2008, 08:24 AM

+ 1 for the follow up and checking it out

GRRRR67RA

01-01-2009, 12:19 AM

i know finding enough land and being able to afford it is the tough part, but has nhra or ihra been contacted ? i would think maybe support from a big organization would be a plus, wouldnt it?
i followed this alot more a few years ago when there were meetings at the college and etc but i moved away for a few years, i think we got to keep trying to get a track on long island

JAYMAN454

01-01-2009, 02:46 AM

I agree we need a track on long island.message to levy we need a track.

JAYMAN454

01-01-2009, 02:47 AM

And yes i had a few drinks,but..............we need a track.

Art

04-28-2010, 08:55 AM

Tmac

04-28-2010, 07:59 PM

LIRR is cutting service to the north fork so the new hub would be a waste. Maybe you'd be able to ski on it.

dynodon113

04-29-2010, 10:38 PM

Last I checked it was state property ?
Contaminated with phosforous ,That is where they made all the gauges for republic (glow in the dark)

Tmac

04-30-2010, 07:59 PM

This property was on page two in New$day yesterday. A new rail hub was planned for it. How is it I (and probably a few other folks) had no idea of those plans? fuggin' amazing. And the project is on hold for the foreseeable future, so I guess they will just continue using it in it's present capacity.
Are you talking about that property along the tracks in Farmingdale. The possible 1/8 mile place. I heard they wanted to put a recycle yard for construction debri around that area but I thought that was being done where it already is a little further east and on the other side, closer to Pinelawn. Now people don't seem to mind a recycle yard so close to a cemetary where they pulverize concrete but a track about a half mile further away from that would probably be offensive. That spot is waste land but it gets pretty narrow at the eastern end. It would be a great spot. Maybe we aim to low lets ask Patterson.

Art

04-30-2010, 08:08 PM

That's the place. Town of Babylon has the west end ,the east end is slated for retail.

Tmac

05-01-2010, 06:45 PM

I thought in posts a while back that was said to be state owned property except for where the mulch and fire wood is. I can'tbelieve that on this whole Island there isn't a spot that could accomidate us except EPCAL. Should we ask Albany if they have some surplus land giving them our reason first, same for the counties? Has this ever been done? Is EPCAL our last stand and if that goes the other way are we done on L.I.. Comparing the past five years to where we are now do you think we have or could get the backing of the motorsports community at large? It seems everytime we go to a meeting it's the same faces that show with maybe one or two new faces. I think we need to make some press of our own, maybe even something radical. We're a flicker that needs to be a bonfire. All these shows attract cars and people but their happy just doing that, how do we get to the race oriented people?