274 acres

[bracketman]

Well here it is; Levy says Riverhead we need a Dragstrip, Riverhead says heres 274 acres build a racetrack, Rexcorp says no thanks. How about we take out an add in newsday 274 acres already zoned for racetrack build it and we will come. Somebody step up to the plate.

[mikelbeck]

Who's gonna be resonsible for weeding out the guys who come along and say "sure, I'll build you a drag strip" but don't have the cash or experience for doing it?

[thenative1]

I firmly believe and find it highly unlikely that a motorsports complex other than that proposed by REXCORP would be a half assed venture at best.Long Island doesn't need another half assed venue. screw the N.I.M.B.Y.'S and politicians, let's shoot for the whole ball of wax guys n gals.:2215:

[cmiracing2004]

anyone know an asphalt guy who would pave a 1/4 mile..??:)

[81 camaro]

The links in Shirley is up for grabs- they want recreational use not housing -http://72.32.16.161/Daily/skins/SouthamptonM/navigator.asp?skin=southamptonm&BP=OK&AW=1192322571984

[Supershafts]

The links could be a great off-road park, not big enough for what anyone else is looking to do involving speed, but it could be a great off-road area for trucks, and that is another large market..

I do more shafts for off-road vehicles then oval, i do just as many 4x shafts as all the other forms of motorsports.

I'll try and speak with mr, Mindich this week

[81 camaro]

Long Island Motorsports park was 175 acres- the links is 206- who says it's not big enough? It would make a fine motorsports park. It just probably wouldn't make the surrounding homeowners too happy.

[Supershafts]

Exactly so it would make a perfect off-road park and need nothing but about 15 loads of boulders and add water to a low point and there is the mud bog

[Fordboy]

Long Island Motorsports Park, otherwise known as LIMP, for the knucklehead, penquin that owned it was 66 acres as far as I know.

[Art]

What is the average cost to enter an off road park? I would think it would be in line with a tech card at a dragstrip. Or am I missing the mark? The reason I ask is two fold. First gauging the interest based on the number of 4wd stuff I see around with that "muddy used in the trails" look I am wondering. And would gate receipts be enough to sustain the facility based on that? If the "Links" is having tough sledding now, I wonder what his costs are. Y'know nuthin' other than the mortgage and his taxes and like that.

[chevymadman]

Its funny how Topgun was going to build a dragstrip nascar at Yaphank on 300 acres. Why don`t Rexcorp put Riverhead on the spot. First it was 500 acres then 800 now 274 that Riverhead wants to give up. They will not put them on the spot because its all bullshit. Even if they do build something it will be everything but a DRAGSTRIP just like me and my brother tom57 said. They have the chance to put Riverhead spot why not think about it! Been hearing this bullshit since the first time at Calverton.

[bracketman]

I agree; Riverhead says build a track so there it is.. build the Dragstrip now and go for the 755 later for another theme.
All else aside...John Q public are Drag racers...the polls and petitions have been answered...the people want this track and the politicians know this, The voting pubic...you and I... will have a serious injustice done to us if our voices are not heard. We have the support of many voters who are not being allowed to advocate. Here it is...plain and simple...we want it...we have the land...they have the money...and it will be a place where we...the public can enjoy what this land was set aside for and intended for. Now it is up to us to advocate. WE WANT A DRAGSTRIP!

[chevymadman]

I agree; Riverhead says build a track so there it is.. build the Dragstrip now and go for the 755 later for another theme.
All else aside...John Q public are Drag racers...the polls and petitions have been answered...the people want this track and the politicians know this, The voting pubic...you and I... will have a serious injustice done to us if our voices are not heard. We have the support of many voters who are not being allowed to advocate. Here it is...plain and simple...we want it...we have the land...they have the money...and it will be a place where we...the public can enjoy what this land was set aside for and intended for. Now it is up to us to advocate. WE WANT A DRAGSTRIP!

[Like history shows the first time at calverton came and went, along with Yaphank and again at calverton. They know what we want Levy and Riverhead. Its time for Rexcorp or who ever wants to build a DRAGSTRIP to put them on the spot NOW. Not after Nov.6 just like every other time we lost a place. I am done this will be my last post on any or these sites good luck because we all need it. TIME FOR THE BUILDERS TO STEP UP!]

[betcha618]

i agree.

[Tmac]

While everybody squabbles over this size or that,everyone is overlooking the most important fact of the situation and that is that they offered anything at all!!This simple fact indicates that they are feeling the pressure.We have been getting attention.Just think about it 150 to 200 of us have gotten this kind of reaction.People know about us.It is now up to us to motivate these people to join us.Spend your time and energy there.If we had 500 or 5,000 the day Cardinale or the news were at the F14 site we'd be hearing a different tune today.Racing has been getting media attention lately,even we got some:eek:and thats what's it's all about.Most people think we were screw and that's people that are against us too.Hey it's just like voting if you don't vote you have no rite to complain about politics.Come up with ideas to bring people out,time well spent.

[thenative1]

DITTO. THE LONG ISLAND PESSEMISTIC ATTITUDES WILL GET US NO WHERE. IF LITTLE OLD LADIES IN THE BAKE CLUB/ N.I.M.B.Y. CIVIC GROUPS CAN MAKE THE POLITICIANS NERVOUS, THEN WHY CAN'T THE THOUSANDS OF MOTORSPORTS CROWD DO THE SAME... YOU GUNNA LET A BUNCH OF CRUSTY STUCK UP N.I.M.B.Y'S TAKE OVER THE REST OF SAND TRAP ISLAND AND TURN IT INTO THE MIMOSA SIPPING SUNDAY BRUNCH CAPITAL OF THE COUNTRY, WE'RE ALREADY 3/4 OF THE WAY THERE ALREADY. :violent1:

[57tom]

:2215:I agree with bracketman and chevymadman. The Hamptons were 66 acres 1/4 mile dragway and also a huge gokart track. I just want to make it clear that RaceWay Park in NJ is 308 acres and they have two drag-tracks along with motor-cross,road course and a go-kart track. I cant understand why we would need more than 250 acres to just build a 1/4 of a mile dragtrack, like bracketman said we have the land now let the town pay to build the track!!!::2215:

[Antisocial]

I'm sure the 1,500 time-share residential units are big in the Rexcorp plan.

[Art]

Exactly. I was at that "Meet the Candidate" deal at the Riley School last week.
There is a whole lot more than "a mountain" or "a racetrack" at stake here. The people of Wading River, Calverton, and Baiting Hollow that were there don't want anything there. They don't want extra traffic or any sort of interruption to thier "way of life". Supershafts and Fordboy did most of the talking to people afterwards and the concerns were pretty plain. I heard references to Freeport and Islip speedways, which granted ran years ago, but were loud. And ran sometimes three nights a week. And maybe weren't the best nieghbors. These are the folks are who are against us. And thier votes count. We have made some headway with a few folks who are going to try to help us if they get elected. We still need that to happen before anything else. There is going to be some tough sledding if they don't. Both the Riverhead resorts plan and the Rexcorp plan have mucho "guest accomodations". Rexcorp's has the condos, RR has a 2000 room inn or something like that. Folks talked about that too. The traffic,the noise,the evnvironment are all on the minds of the people who are going to be voting. As well as thier town's namesake "downtown area". Which is derelict, empty, and uninviting. And thier landfill which has some issues. Gets complicated pretty quick doesn't it? And on top of all of that, if Rexcorp doesn't want to build something, "we" don't have anyone else even remotely willing to do so that I am aware of. So we need to work on helping those who may be able to help us before we start putting the cart before the horse.

[FANTASY FACTORY]

A swath of land measuring 1/2 mile in length x 400 feet wide is 25 acres!
Some one call the Napp boys, Montecalvo, Nobile, and the Biondo's,
That covers money, mgmnt, construction,and promotion!
Or am i looking at this too simply, Fk these other azzklowns, were not looking for Pomona here, have we gotten the NHRA on board yet, or are they still pissed at Long Island over the Penquin stiffin em? shit Call the damn IHRA even!

[betcha618]

A swath of land measuring 1/2 mile in length x 400 feet wide is 25 acres!

Or am i looking at this too simply, Fk these other azzklowns, were not looking for Pomona here, shit Call the damn IHRA even!

:3gears::headbang:

[Art]

A swath of land measuring 1/2 mile in length x 400 feet wide is 25 acres!
Some one call the Napp boys, Montecalvo, Nobile, and the Biondo's,
That covers money, mgmnt, construction,and promotion!
Or am i looking at this too simply, Fk these other azzklowns, were not looking for Pomona here, have we gotten the NHRA on board yet, or are they still pissed at Long Island over the Penquin stiffin em? shit Call the damn IHRA even!
Maybe it is that simple. But I am not thinkin' so. Make the 4 phone calls and see what they say. Existing facilities have a somewhat easier go of it than trying to start fresh especially here on Long Island.
I read the Wally Parks insert in last weeks 'Dragster. He had the police on his side and still had a tough go. He didn't give up and he believed. We have a developer that got boned by a town board on our side. Despite that and the raw deal as a community we have gotten for the last, hmm 15 or so years, I still believe. See you at the next function either Thursday night (if I can get out of work) or Sunday. Gotta' keep the pressure up!

[Supershafts]

There is no 255 acres for use at Epcal....


You guy's are listening to bs that isn't there...

Look at you guy's, you all fell for it...lets get a builder....to build what where.....that 255 acres is really 40 if you are lucky and it's a perfect sqaure 40 acres...

That means you ain't getting nothing in there


As for the links golf course, 200 acres, it borders houses on all but 1 of it's 4 sides...right up to it's property line.

As for the 4x crowd, there are a few clubs here on the island the jeep club is huge, not to mention the dodge and chevy and ford clubs, and the scout club.

Just this week and it's wednesday... 7 complete custom 4x shafts

Race cars/street cars... 1 shaft

This month so far for 4x off-road trucks... 17 shafts

This month so far for Race cars/street rods... 3 shafts

The off-road community is much larger then you think.

If i announce to the dodge truck club i belong to that im going upstate this week to my property i'll have atleast 50 trucks come and camp out on the property this weekend, and then get jeeps and other clubs ask if they can come also.

Not to mention the 18 pro corr trucks i do driveline work for.


The owner of the links course would need nothing to use his property as is other then get some boulders for a rock garden and rock climb of which i can get him in no time flat and get it set up in less then 3 days. At that i have a fairly large collection of rocks just for such activities, they just need a home.

[novadose454]

i get 60 dollars a week allowance...i can pitch in like twenty of it a week....anyone looking for a partner??

[Supershafts]

Yes i did actually, unfortunately though he sold it already to a developer, i explained what it was i had in mind for him anyway and he did listen, I wish he could have atleast tried it once before selling the property....but another town house community is coming to long island...and there is already enough vacant houses in Mastic, Shirley and Mastic Beach that aren't selling...we can always hope the builder does something different with the property, but from what i understand they develop town houses.

[Supershafts]

Im trying to get a hold of the developer, i don't think there going to like the idea of a off-road park, but they may not like my alternative to fighting them and causing them problems, i already know that no one in shirley and mastic and mastic beach wants that place to turn into 2000 town houses so we will see

[betcha618]

if that land is zoned recreational, how do they build condos on them??

[81 camaro]

WOW ! I tell you about a place to build a dragstrip and you go after it for an offroad site- and you wonder why you're not getting the support of the drag racers! Yeah, I'll tell you about the next site I find alright. Thanks (I got the shaft)

[thenative1]

MORE GOLF YAY!!! :violent1:

[Tmac]

Seeing is how this golf course and Tall grass in Miller Place is being built out as residential,has anyone made suggestions to the politicians to make the developers incorporate workforce housing into these sites freeing up Yapank.There are two good reasons to persue this besides the obvious.1)every attempt to build workforce(low income) housing on L.I. in a centralized format ended up creating an instant getto.2) By spreading housing into several communities spreads the burden of the social impact to several communities as to not increase the tax burden as greatly.This process is done on a regular basis in NYC called 80-20 where the city give tax incentives and low cost loans to developers with great success.If you want my opinion Yapank is the better site for a track,it's more centralizied and right on the LIE and easily accessed by Sunrise Hwy and from a business sense I think it would have a greater chance of success.If EPCAL doesn't go our way this may be the way to go,but we shouldn't wait for one without pursueing the other.Poll all politicians as to their feelings and support.
,Island wide..Be a step ahead instead of trying to catch up.Have the answer before the question.

[betcha618]

WOW ! I tell you about a place to build a dragstrip and you go after it for an offroad site- and you wonder why you're not getting the support of the drag racers! Yeah, I'll tell you about the next site I find alright. Thanks (I got the shaft)

Actually most of our support is from drag racers.

[Art]

WOW ! I tell you about a place to build a dragstrip and you go after it for an offroad site- and you wonder why you're not getting the support of the drag racers! Yeah, I'll tell you about the next site I find alright. Thanks (I got the shaft)
I am going to take this as an attempt at humor. You seriously thought that "the links" was a "slam dunk" for a motorsport park? Given the density of the surrounding area, the fact "we" as a community are in the midst of a very focused effort at EPCAL, and no one "went after" anything, it is the only conclusion I can draw. Thanks for the chuckle. (I think)

[70-ELIMINATOR]

Hey guys, I've been stopping by and reading away just about everyday. One thing I have noticed is that your having a hard time finding a piece of land to cram a 1/4 mile track into. Maybe think smaller. I race on an 1/8 mile track here. Mainly for convenience. It 15 minutes from home. The 1/4 mile tracks, Rockingham and Bristol, are an hour and a half. Anyway, my point is that it's better to do a 6.71 in the 8th then nothing at all. Check out this link. My little girls are in the Jr. Dragster finals today.
http://www.farmingtonmotorsportspark.com/

[Supershafts]

WOW ! I tell you about a place to build a dragstrip and you go after it for an offroad site- and you wonder why you're not getting the support of the drag racers! Yeah, I'll tell you about the next site I find alright. Thanks (I got the shaft)

See you can't think, you got a 1 track mind....

The man is selling because he can't make money as a golf course...he has no money...can't afford the taxes so he is selling

But wait....your really thinking...you had a brilliant idea....riiiight

He has no money...but now he needs a million to build a drag strip......yeah yeah i know you got all the answers, that's why you didn't call the man yourself...again you SAT there AND WAITED FOR SOMEONE ELSE to do it for you...


Not to mention the neighborhood is directly on top of the property...and i should have told him to build a drag strip...

For what...so people can complain and you won't come out and support it when it is going to be closed down cause you can't attend a rally now...

So here is the deal for the man......he needs no money , he needs to put nothing into it for a offroad park it is perfectly set up for it as is, all he needs to do is stand at the gate and accept a fee....no up keep, no workers, just him and a tow truck of which i can supply and big boulders...again of which i can supply...

Don't pull your head out of the sand it's perfect just where it is...


Got some real thinkers among us...1 track mind and 1 track minds don't work.


Don't BS me about the We don't have the support because you can't think, you can't see enough of what action needs to be done and how that action will make a reaction...
We don't get support because people lack the ability to have any foresight, and there just to damned lazy...

Here's how smart you are....you have someone breaking there ass for you, spending the money that needs to be spent to get something accomplished and instead of doing a simple thing of showing yourself at rallies to the county in which you live......you think running your mouth here is helping you....

You aren't even smart enough to see your just f***ing yourself....

Way to go kid

What a brilliant mind some of you have...



You all keep complaining about wanting a track, yet a lot you keep doing the same dopey thing......NOTHING...

Our die hard small group has more going on and getting all kinds of reactions....imagine if you did SOMETHING...

IT took you close to a damn week to get back to this post....please tout your bs somewhere else you don't want anything but to complain whenever you think you got a chance...you want something go do it, you think im not doing enough, go do it yourself, shit i did, im not waiting for you, i'll definately have nothing

[novadose454]

ouch.....too much coffee??....im sure he got the idea after the first few sentances...

[Supershafts]

Well i didn't have any coffee today...sob that's what im missing today...ok brb

But i'll bet the point doesn't even come close to getting accross, the whole thing will go unnoticed for days and they'll be some little school girl type reply.

Doesn't matter, but it is fun..where's that drill...

[betcha618]

ouch.....too much coffee??....im sure he got the idea after the first few sentences...

thats the problem, he still won't get it he'll just accuse Marty of being Impossible to talk to. unless you are there with him every week you can't feel the aggravation and disappointment with the turnout. I'm there with him every weekend, thats why I can understand his frustration.

[Supershafts]

Bascially what would be needed is a catch fence (something able to catch a car that isn't stopping)...for the expense of keeping it cheap just use a flag man, if need be i could make a tree and with led's also.

Can't hurt to ask, as much as i hate talking with phil, i'll ask him, keep in mind this too will be a long wait...even if he say's yes im sure they'll dick around with getting insurance of make it a big long process and im sure they'll be issues of paying the amb and pd

[novadose454]

sand and catch fence....mmmmmmmmmmm flag man....god..for an old timer like me......that would be sooooooooooo good...(60 years old)...brings back some pleasant memories when drag racing was for regular people...not this multi million dollar...bring your sponsor built car............

[chevymadman]

And the NIMBYS of Riverhead voted Phil back in. This sand pit is done the NIMBYS run it they, don`t like Drag Racers and Rechler will not build one anyway.

[Supershafts]

What are you talking about, phil is powerless

[chevymadman]

[QUOTE=Supershafts;2237]What are you talking about, phil is powerless[Just saw news12 Mr Phil and all his jerkoffs gave the mountain the ok. It was a nice try like I sad before if Rechler had a "DRAG STRIP" in its plan, there would have been a lot of support. ]

[novadose454]

seems like its not going to ever happen unless someone is at the helm that feels like we do ...unfortunately the longer it goes the more is built the less land available..long island is gonna be just one giant mall or assisted living area....................arghhh

[FANTASY FACTORY]

And the battle continues! now we need to fight the Variances, and stay on top of the power issue.
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/suffolk/ny-liriv035523434jan03,0,892280.story

[Supershafts]

I don't know where you seen a 5 vote for...

I still don't know why you guy's are all bent on it's not in the plan bs for....

Have you seen RR secondary plan, neither has RHTB, and RR isn't disclosing it to anyone...so what have i been telling you all about this bs plan stuff....""oh it's not in the plans"" so what,it doesn't have to be...

[chevymadman]

And the battle continues! now we need to fight the Variances, and stay on top of the power issue.
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/suffolk/ny-liriv035523434jan03,0,892280.story

There is no battle this sand pit is done the NIMBY`S don`t want it. Even if they don`t build this snow cone it will ever happen. The assholes running Riverhead don`t want it they been jerking us all off.

[chevymadman]

Ok sorry 3-2 Phil got what he wanted. ....""oh it's not in the plans"" so what,it doesn't have to be... This is why we lost much needed support, most of the Drag Racers feel fight for what. They tell me all the time how come the Drag Strip, is not in the plans its all here say BS thats what I hear. There is power in numbers and the Drag Racers are the numbers. Now Riverhead Resorts and Phil are going to f**k around for years with this BS. The battle was lost the day we said don`t mention Drag Strip!

[Fordboy]

RVD doesn't want MOTORSPORTS, period. Whether there was a drag strip in the plan or NOT, they don't want motorsports. This vote wasn't FOR a ski mountain, it was a vote AGAINST motorsports.

[Supershafts]

There not arguing that Fordboy, there worried about plans, they don't get it that plans change, proposals are just that a proposal to build a venue like this, there theme is the ski mountain, so it will have a ski mountian, the other was motorsports so it will have motorsports...it doesn't need to be specific, it doesn't have to be to the letter.

Just like RR with there back up plan they won't release to even the RHTB...
But don't take up the fight for the 1, the only builder going for motorsports...
No instead get behind the other guy that is building the track for you...

Oh shit, what other guy....sob there is none.....doh, blow any chance of having anything....

Even if there was no drag strip, and lets say there was no intention of ever doing one, No one can see how having a new facility would have made the chances of having one better, would have made the chances better then the chances you have right now...

Look up proposal, see what that means

[Tmac]

RVD doesn't want MOTORSPORTS, period. Whether there was a drag strip in the plan or NOT, they don't want motorsports. This vote wasn't FOR a ski mountain, it was a vote AGAINST motorsports.
Is this the feelings of the board or the town as a whole?

[novadose454]

cant imagine it was the town. i also cant imagine they bought the idea of a ski mountain. but then again..i guess someone out there is blowing a lot of smoke...riverhead raceway wasnt hated ....or was it.???

[Art]

Novadose, in telephone poling of Riverhead town residents before the Nov. elections, the number of town residents that were not in favor of the snow thing was better than 70%. The results are on the LIMA board. When you sit in the audience at RHT meetings, you sense the bias against motorsports right away. Even my G/F who accompanied me once noticed it.
The wierd thing is, the "Qualified and Eligible" bidder has a hot 26 million (according to thier lawyer) in the bank as of 12/27. They are putting down 4.5 million (2 million "non refundable")to get the ball rolling while they figure out what it is they are really going to be able to build. Now I am not a bigtime developer. I'm just a peon who owns a house. When I wanted to buy, I had to put down 20% and the finance company who loaned me the rest has the title in case I default. RHT gave the contract to this outfit with thier shadowy employees and empty bank account for less than 2%. All while they "explore". Then every few months they come up with a bit more for a period of up to 39 months. During that time we all get to do nothing on Long Island. By then, perhaps we can get someone elected in RHT to actually get something done. If we are all still alive and living here.

[Supershafts]

Is this the feelings of the board or the town as a whole?

That is the feelings of 3 on the town board, and the calv civics, which seem to operate the town board as puppets.
Even after there (cal civics) display last week they made my points from the meeting before 100% accurate and true, they still are blinded by prejudice.

[Supershafts]

cant imagine it was the town. i also cant imagine they bought the idea of a ski mountain. but then again..i guess someone out there is blowing a lot of smoke...riverhead raceway wasnt hated ....or was it.???


Oh i don't know about that, the calv civics have a strong hate and strong prejudice for Riverhead Raceway.

The problem is no one seems to go against that bs civic group with all kinds of REAL dirt bags with real screwed up backrounds...

Think of this for a moment..

For no other reason, just think of this...

September 11th 2001, we lost the World Trade Center, over 400 FDNY, NYPD, PAPD, also 3500 people...

We just had 3 members of NY citizens on a town board on Long Island strike a deal with a company with known arrangements with osama to deal arms...
We just watched a community civic org speak on there behalf, as there upstanding or something...
We had the gold star mothers say that noise is offensive and disrespectful to the Calverton National Cemetery....But dealing with that company isn't disrespectful...

These people in my eyes are nothing more then traitors and scum of the highest order, and i will view them that way as i pass them in everyday life as should everyone

[Art]

Interesting letter in the January 2,2008 issue of the South Shore Press. The writer is none other than Mr. Mindich of "The Links at Shirley". In it he goes on to say that the rumor of The Links closing is "unfounded". Also that there are events scheduled in 2009, and the greens are in "spectacular condition" and blah,blah,blah. I guess the soft housing market has its moments after all. Just thought it worth mentioning.

[Supershafts]

That's funny i called him on that and his EXACT words after i went thru a somewhat detailed idea for him was and i remember EXACTLY " the property is already sold,, who bought it,, i can't say" Then i remember looking into it and finding a company that builds townhouses was in there.

The town had a meeting there and a press conference, i'll call him back

[betcha618]

DID you ever call him back??

[Supershafts]

Hasn't been around, or im being avoided, i was gonna try and drop in there tomorrow

[frankie]

i am a new member and just wanted to say hi.... if anyone knows of any hopes of a drag strip being put back on long island please let me know

thanks
frank e.

[Tmac]

i am a new member and just wanted to say hi.... if anyone knows of any hopes of a drag strip being put back on long island please let me know

thanks
frank e.
:hello:Hey Frankie,welcome to the show.The main reason this site exists is to promote legal and safe racing on L.I..Your being here is part of the solution,but we need many more to be taken seriously.So if you know of anyone who is interested tell them to sign up here and on the Long Island Motorsports Assoc.,site which you can link to right here.Trust me if we have the numbers we'll get the track.We had them on their heals before but no one came to support us.This is a group of very dedicated people,racers and fans and the best shot of getting anything done is here.The core group of these sites have done a lot of leg work, have made a lot of connections and are the best informed people on the Island as to what's going on.
Feel free to express your ideas and any imformation you have here, but most of all feel free to invite anybody you know to join. IN NUMBERS THERE'S POWE.R WITH POWER SOLUTIONS

[frankie]

hi looking for and old friend of mine ,joe larusso used to run a gray 85 vette at long island dragway, tell him to e mail frank i own a 1988 vette 383 stroker ,, he can reach me at baddude77777@aol.com
thanks
frank