SUPPORT MEETINGS this Week

[Supershafts]

The next Support meetings / parked car shows "with judging on the Nastiest car to attend" are....

This tuesday october 2nd....at 6:30 pm at Riverhead town hall....

Bald hill should be empty....this week bald hill is at riverhead town hall parking lot...

This sunday october 7th... at 11am at epcal..the F-14


See you there....
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There will also be judging on the nastiest car to show...

At every event there will be judging on the nastiest car to show.

The same car can't win everytime unless it has made changes and again was the nastiest car there.

The winner with the nastiest car will win pic's on the main page of lima.org and .net and a pic in li drag...
If there are other prizes the winner that week can also have them..

Prizes if any are donated by businesses in support of LIMA


At any other event your just a parked car...

[Lauski]

Tuesday is the 2nd.Because today is the 30th.

[betcha618]

Tuesday is def. the 2nd, but again your giving us 1 day to try to tell everyone about this. I'll be there but one day doesn't give us much time. I know you had mentioned something about this the other day but this is the first official post. I'll get the word out as much as possible.

[Supershafts]

Yeah sometimes things pop up like this at the last minute, and this popped up yesterday...and being we have 4 weeks to get cardinale out...it's even more important.

[Supershafts]

Worse is the site isn't up and all the people that seen that addy won't know about tuesday or sunday possibly...im going to add lidragracing to the sign also...

[betcha618]

I'll be there with you.

[Supershafts]

Also http://www.riverheadnews.com/

[Lauski]

You need to get the Riverhead voters to back you.They aren't saying a word.You can yell all you want bottom line you don't vote here.He is throwing you the bull about building on that acreage.It is all DEC protected.

[betcha618]

Also http://www.riverheadnews.com/

IN CASE YOU GUYS DON'T WANT TO CLICK THE LINK:

RIVERHEADNEWS.COM

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The Grumman Memorial was the site of a intense rally with over 100 people. The heat was on and Supervisor Cardinale felt it. The area was filled with DUMP Cardinale signs. Candidate Jim Stark and councilman Ed Densieski both spoke. Councilman Densieski suggested a Special Election so the people can vote. Jim Stark is going to suggest a resolution for the Town Board to reconsider its vote.
Supervisor Cardinale was visibly upset. I guess he had a right to be since George Bartunik, Amy Sorsney and even Supervisor Cardinale's Campaign manager was no where to be found. What does that tell you about their support? It is no secret that Cardinale campaign manager, Hal Lindstrom is against the race track and now Cardinale is flip flopping. Cardinale was telling the people there is 500 acres for the track to still be built on. Most do not believe him since the land is difficult to build on because of the DEC. Also no one can forget his last campaign lie where is boasted that the land fill was ahead of schedule and under budget.
RiverheadNews.com predicted this would cause Cardinale to lose the election right after his vote, (see article below).
Cardinale is a very good politician. He acts very much like his democratic friend Bill (Slick Willy) Clinton! Maybe someone should check the Supervisors office for cigars or interns?

http://www.riverheadnews.com/images/469_National.jpg
LOOK OUT CARDINALE! WERE MADE AS HELL AND NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE

WE ARE MAKING PROGRESS!!!

[ronzo]

as you know i will be at both :D steve ,marty i also told my brother about next sunday he is gonna get some of his biker buddies together to come out bikes need a place too:D

[mikelbeck]

Very cool...

I'll be away on business on the 7th, I won't be able to make the event at EPCAL. Somebody make sure they take notes and pictures... I'm gonna try to make the Oct 2nd meeting at Riverhead Town Hall, but I'm not sure if I can get out of work early enough. But I'm sure gonna try!

[Supershafts]

You need to get the Riverhead voters to back you.They aren't saying a word.You can yell all you want bottom line you don't vote here.He is throwing you the bull about building on that acreage.It is all DEC protected.

Did you read my other post about this and all the reasons why already...

From what i read here i think you didn't

We are going on a door to door campaign in a few weeks.

Do you want to volunteer for an area?

[Art]

Tuesday is iffy, Sunday is no problem. See you there. (and I promise I will keep my son away from the F-14 while folks are talking)

[Supershafts]

Lol your son can play with the F-14 stuff...

[betcha618]

town hall at 200 Howell Ave. correct?

Are we all meeting up somewhere and cruising there together or just meeting there tuesday?

[Supershafts]

I had told a few other clubs if they want they can p/u the truck on 51 and cruise in with it...i expect to be on 51 at or a little forward headed north of the sunrise hwy and expect to roll off at around 6:10 pm from that spot to get there with a good place to park the truck for all to see...

[FANTASY FACTORY]

The Primer Time boys will be there Sunday!

[betcha618]

I had told a few other clubs if they want they can p/u the truck on 51 and cruise in with it...i expect to be on 51 at or a little forward headed north of the sunrise hwy and expect to roll off at around 6:10 pm from that spot to get there with a good place to park the truck for all to see...

So thats a yes to the adress i posted??

[Supershafts]

Yes 200 howell ave...sorry..

Andy it will be longer then 30 mintues, there having a meeting at the town hall, they run longer then a hour if you want to make it.

[betcha618]

OK thanks.

[Lauski]

I did read your post but after I posted.
I have already started making Phone calls to Riverhead Race fans.
I got to a few Riverhead raceway drivers that are also going to pass it on.
As far as walking and knocking on doors I would prefer to make calls.
My oldest son has called a few people from West Hampton days and they also said they would pass it on.A few had said they didn't know about this past weekend and others were racing out of Town.

[betcha618]

My oldest son has called a few people from West Hampton days and they also said they would pass it on.A few had said they didn't know about this past weekend and others were racing out of Town.

Next time tell the lamers that would "pass on it" that maybe they wouldn't be racing out of town if they didn't "pass on it" I bet they'll be there when it opens.

[Lauski]

I have know idea where you get off calling these people lamers.
I'm talking about Teams from Riverhead Raceway.These guys have certain races they go to and you know that.So "lame" isn't the correct word.Most of these drivers were already out of Town when the plan to Epcal came about.

[Supershafts]

I did read your post but after I posted.
I have already started making Phone calls to Riverhead Race fans.
I got to a few Riverhead raceway drivers that are also going to pass it on.
As far as walking and knocking on doors I would prefer to make calls.
My oldest son has called a few people from West Hampton days and they also said they would pass it on.A few had said they didn't know about this past weekend and others were racing out of Town.


You did see the reason why they went with the ski mountain..

That is truth, they won't get the 350' but they get enough that it will interfere with the runway that they have so far been fighting...
They'll be able to tell people land at your own risk and not to many pilots if any are coming in at a 60 degree angle to pull up a the last 40' and land..


Look at any proposal that included having use of the runway and take notice how many were so close to going thru and got axed as soon as that came up...

They have hidden agendas and it's all coming out..

[Supershafts]

I had informed many RR about saturday prior to them leaving...A few called and said they were leaving to go to mountain and a few had other engagements with sponsors...
The problem is sacrifice is needed, e-town, mountain, the parked car shows people attended rather then support there fight is something they need to come to grasp with and be serious... I could have went to CT for the SCCA event or even RR sat for the SCCA event there which i did attend after parading thru riverhead with the signs to make sure they are aware of whats going on

[FReaK]

I don't get out of work till 7pm in Westhampton Beach tomorrow, but I'll swing down when I get out, and Sunday I may be a little late as well, my brothers getting married the night before.

I'll post all the info up on B20.

[Supershafts]

Well congratulations for your brother and best wishes to them both and your new sister.... and we should be there till after 8 most likely

[FReaK]

Well congratulations for your brother and best wishes to them both and your new sister.... and we should be there till after 8 most likely

Thanks Marty



Ok It's posted on B20

Support Meets (http://b20vtec.com/forums/meets-events/147435-support-meets.html#post1801244)

[betcha618]

I have know idea where you get off calling these people lamers.
I'm talking about Teams from Riverhead Raceway.These guys have certain races they go to and you know that.So "lame" isn't the correct word.Most of these drivers were already out of Town when the plan to Epcal came about.

Did you see which part of your post i quoted??




My oldest son has called a few people from West Hampton days and they also said they would pass it on.A few had said they didn't know about this past weekend and others were racing out of Town.

Next time tell the lamers that would "pass on it" that maybe they wouldn't be racing out of town if they didn't "pass on it" I bet they'll be there when it opens.

Your reading and comprehension skills seem to be a lil off

What i quoted had nothing to do with the RR teams, it had to do with the "ppl from the west hampton days" that said "they would pass" and if that happens to be the same ppl than they are lamers.

Thats where i get off saying that.

[FReaK]

Also posted on Lamborghini-talk.com

Support Meets, getting tracks built on LI (http://www.lamborghini-talk.com/vbforum/showthread.php?t=7389)

[Supershafts]

Good we had a lambo there with us, was a brand new one..along with a pretty healthy viper and a ferrari that sounded as if it had a turbo...wasn't paying attention, it left as the viper started and caught my attention..

[Supershafts]

Anyone know what board the GT fords go to...i seen 12 of them cruising the L.I.E. sunday with no where to go...IM sure they would be interested in this

[betcha618]

Anyone know what board the GT fords go to...i seen 12 of them cruising the L.I.E. sunday with no where to go...IM sure they would be interested in this

http://www.fordgtforum.com/forums/index.php

[pcking]

First off let me say that I was there - the #89 Mustang in tow behind my blue Suburban for those of you wondering...

Next let me lend my support to Marty's statement about sacrifice. I opted to skip the RR AutoX with SCCA to do the 'Parade' and was actually happy about it. I just felt to me like what needs to be done if you want to make a real difference. There are always other chance to race - maybe not as convenient or whatever, but still... (a waiver for those in a points battle at the end of the season).

I also agree with the many people who keep telling us to stop blasting one another. This will play us right into the politicians hands - they want us divided, confused, and fighting amongst ourselves on how best to stop them. I am just as pissed about as anyone (Ok, almost anyone) - I didn't just hop in one of my daily drivers (one of which is an '06 Charger making over 400HP), I wanted to make a bigger statement by trailering one of the race cars, which took a couple hours to load up and make ready and used probably 2X the fuel.

Can we please agree that while it is OK to 'ding' folks for not showing or forgetting their promises, it is really counter-productive to viciously slam each other? I'm not afraid of a good fight (I'm 6'5" and 240 lbs), but let's save up all that passion and direct towards our enemies, not one another - PLEASE?

I am in NYC for work on Tuesday, but I'm still going to try and rush out of there (skipping a FREE dinner at Ben Benson's Steak House) so that I can make the hour long drive (w-o/ traffic) to Riverhead tomorrow night. This is the type of sacrifice that Marty is talking about - and really nothing compared to what the likes of he and guys like Andy have done for this cause (as well as many others).

Oh and BTW, when Marty got over to RR that afternoon, I was already there.
The SCCA guys were so impressed with my resolve that they not only made an exception and let me run in their event, they also waived my worker requirement (you're trying to get us a new place to race - that is important work) and the event's safety steward gave up his spot in the afternoon heats so that I could run. And as luck would have it, I even won my class... :D

So thanks to everyone for trying, and for those of you that did not honor your commitments, please remember the shame and emptiness you feel now the next time we call for you. Please don't disappoint Marty, Andy, and the rest of us again. These guys are sacrificing a LOT, so listen and learn from their example and do the right thing next time. Your conscience will thank you!

And if you disagree, then it is rumble time, me and you, the flagpole, after school!:D

[betcha618]

{clapping} thank you. More ppl should think like that.

[Supershafts]

Thank you Betcha.....

Phil you are a good guy...i will try in the future (hopefully i won't have to though) and contain myself and go much easier..

[betcha618]

Check this thread for maps how to get to town hall. NO EXCUSES!!

http://www.lidragracing.com/showthread.php?p=1630#post1630

[spikeybabe22]

First off let me say that I was there - the #89 Mustang in tow behind my blue Suburban for those of you wondering...

Next let me lend my support to Marty's statement about sacrifice. I opted to skip the RR AutoX with SCCA to do the 'Parade' and was actually happy about it. I just felt to me like what needs to be done if you want to make a real difference. There are always other chance to race - maybe not as convenient or whatever, but still... (a waiver for those in a points battle at the end of the season).

I also agree with the many people who keep telling us to stop blasting one another. This will play us right into the politicians hands - they want us divided, confused, and fighting amongst ourselves on how best to stop them. I am just as pissed about as anyone (Ok, almost anyone) - I didn't just hop in one of my daily drivers (one of which is an '06 Charger making over 400HP), I wanted to make a bigger statement by trailering one of the race cars, which took a couple hours to load up and make ready and used probably 2X the fuel.

Can we please agree that while it is OK to 'ding' folks for not showing or forgetting their promises, it is really counter-productive to viciously slam each other? I'm not afraid of a good fight (I'm 6'5" and 240 lbs), but let's save up all that passion and direct towards our enemies, not one another - PLEASE?

I am in NYC for work on Tuesday, but I'm still going to try and rush out of there (skipping a FREE dinner at Ben Benson's Steak House) so that I can make the hour long drive (w-o/ traffic) to Riverhead tomorrow night. This is the type of sacrifice that Marty is talking about - and really nothing compared to what the likes of he and guys like Andy have done for this cause (as well as many others).

Oh and BTW, when Marty got over to RR that afternoon, I was already there.
The SCCA guys were so impressed with my resolve that they not only made an exception and let me run in their event, they also waived my worker requirement (you're trying to get us a new place to race - that is important work) and the event's safety steward gave up his spot in the afternoon heats so that I could run. And as luck would have it, I even won my class... :D

So thanks to everyone for trying, and for those of you that did not honor your commitments, please remember the shame and emptiness you feel now the next time we call for you. Please don't disappoint Marty, Andy, and the rest of us again. These guys are sacrificing a LOT, so listen and learn from their example and do the right thing next time. Your conscience will thank you!

And if you disagree, then it is rumble time, me and you, the flagpole, after school!:D

I agree. Oh and im 5'4" 140 lets go get em im ready too lol j/k ill lose badd lol i thought id through a lil humor in there.

[pcking]

You know you are the schiznit in my book too Marty and thanks betcha.

Bottom line is that we are all good guys and need to focus on more applause and humor and lessen the rivalry. Don't lose your enthusiasm, just try and channel it more wisely.

We all know who was there and who was not and we will remember and thank one another when we're on our new track! The others will just be me-toos...

And don't worry Spikey, I grew up with a wife beater for a biological dad (haven't spoken in 25 years after I kicked his sorry ass at age 13), so I'd never hit a girl/woman even over the track. However, with a little looking I am sure we can find you a politician you can take! :-)

OK, now the door is open to take some pot-shots on those punks... I'd rather go a couple rounds with Cardinale (if he lasts that long) than tangle with Stark or Ed D. - at least the last two are men, not slimy worms...

[cowbay]

I will be up at Poughepsie tomorrow for business. I will try my best to make the meeting in Riverhead. I can not make the Sunday meet due to the fact I have to go to a family event for my wife's side. Well I could go but someone better make a spot for me and my car. Go figure she gets touchy about these things.:eek:

[spikeybabe22]

You know you are the schiznit in my book too Marty and thanks betcha.

Bottom line is that we are all good guys and need to focus on more applause and humor and lessen the rivalry. Don't lose your enthusiasm, just try and channel it more wisely.

We all know who was there and who was not and we will remember and thank one another when we're on our new track! The others will just be me-toos...

And don't worry Spikey, I grew up with a wife beater for a biological dad (haven't spoken in 25 years after I kicked his sorry ass at age 13), so I'd never hit a girl/woman even over the track. However, with a little looking I am sure we can find you a politician you can take! :-)

OK, now the door is open to take some pot-shots on those punks... I'd rather go a couple rounds with Cardinale (if he lasts that long) than tangle with Stark or Ed D. - at least the last two are men, not slimy worms...

I could take Cardinale no problem or that bird ass guy who is running who was wearing a christmas tie with a red Ferrari shirt the other day like ron said...all he needed was green pants and he would be an elf.

[Lauski]

Like I said I was on Cardinales Campaign and after this I left.Well I have a meeting with him this week.What do you want me to pass on other than what I have to say for myself and Riverhead.

[pcking]

Yeah, that dude was a little spacy - he was trying to sell himself as the racer's candidate - I wasn't buying. He's too much of a WACK-JOB to be taken seriously even if he was elected.

And the Ferrari shirt was more orange than red - Enzo would have been PISSED - and the tie just added insult to injury. He's was more like comic relief than an actual speaker...

[spikeybabe22]

yeah i know..i wonder why he cant get any media...hes a tool.

[pcking]

Lauski - mine is a simple message... I suspect yours is much more complicated...

Mr. Cardinale - you want to stay in office, then sign up RexCorp to agree to build the track before the election. Otherwise we will do anything and everything in our power to oust you and help your opposition as no-one here, there, or anywhere want the giant 350-foot erection...

[spikeybabe22]

^ 350ft erection lol hahahah

[betcha618]

every thread you 2:

http://chronicle.augusta.com/images/headlines/090502/TrainWreckHwy56aerial3.jpg

[NYMontess]

i'll try to get there tuesday in RH & I'll be there Sunday to.

[betcha618]

Cool.

[SSSSMonte]

See you all Sunday.. I will be spreading the word!

[79TA455STROKED]

Ill be there tomarrow and a couple other cars will be following down with me.
See you guys there!

[betcha618]

See you all Sunday.. I will be spreading the word!

What about Tuesday? can't make it?

[Supershafts]

What do you want me to pass on other than what I have to say for myself and Riverhead.


Tell him that you know LIMA is going door to door about this...all 10,000 Riverhead residents..and there telling each and everyone of them the truth..

Tell him now he needs to Rezone the TS haulers property and we want all 1200 acres or at the very least the 755 and the other 100 useable acres and rezone TS haulers property

[Lauski]

Wait what does Partridge have to do with Grumman Property?TS hauliers ?I don't understand what one has to do with the other.
Listen Once again,I am a Riverhead resident who knows these politicians personally,Who happens to want this track.I am not fighting for Eddie Partridge he has more money than God and he has lawyers to do his fighting .He is not why I'm going to meet with Phil.

[Supershafts]

It's another obstacle for him that he won't do....Tell him we are going door to door.

He had his chance yesterday when asked to rescind this deal, he said he won't.

He now has to go and door to door we go, with that as more fire how he continuely ignores the public

[Lauski]

Lets be fair here.He does not have to be fair to you.
You do not vote on Riverhead Issues .Yes he is wrong about the track,but do you really think that Blass,cardinale,Bartunek and Dunlevy care about someone that doesn't cast a vote here.
I will pass on the cares and concerns .I will talk about a safe place to motorsport.
I just hope these Riverhead Car owners and drivers turn out tonight.They are the ones that really have the power.

[spikeybabe22]

Lets be fair here.He does not have to be fair to you.
You do not vote on Riverhead Issues .Yes he is wrong about the track,but do you really think that Blass,cardinale,Bartunek and Dunlevy care about someone that doesn't cast a vote here.
I will pass on the cares and concerns .I will talk about a safe place to motorsport.
I just hope these Riverhead Car owners and drivers turn out tonight.They are the ones that really have the power.

EXACT reason why we need to get people from RIVERHEAD who want this to come out when we go out...to support this to help everyone by voting for the track... When No one shows up well then that doesn't help our case does it? Your for the track? I haven't seen you once.

Thats right you said " I stayed away because I was afraid that I would go off on Cardinale" Yeah b/s excuse. If Marty didn't "go off" on cardinale im sure you could of held back.

[Supershafts]

Lets be fair here.He does not have to be fair to you.
You do not vote on Riverhead Issues .Yes he is wrong about the track,but do you really think that Blass,cardinale,Bartunek and Dunlevy care about someone that doesn't cast a vote here.
I will pass on the cares and concerns .I will talk about a safe place to motorsport.
I just hope these Riverhead Car owners and drivers turn out tonight.They are the ones that really have the power.


I don't have to be from riverhead, i just have to go to all 30,000 doors and i can, i have spoken to 30,000 people in under a month before and i can do it again, and with some help we can get to them all faster.

I hope the riverhead motorsports community doesn't need as much help as the rest of riverhead that may have no idea what's going on

[betcha618]

Lauski seems to contradict herself, she says shes on our side and she wants the track yet with statements like

You do not vote on Riverhead Issues .Yes he is wrong about the track,but do you really think that Blass,cardinale,Bartunek and Dunlevy care about someone that doesn't cast a vote here.
seems to be putting our efforts down and basically telling us we're wasting our time having these meets

[thenative1]

What these people don't realize or just plain choose to ignore is, This issue effects much more than riverhead, and like shafts said "It won't stop any of us from knocking on doors" and letting everyone know what's really going on in riverhead.We have already made LARGE waves on this issue. it's like a small snow ball rolling down a 354ft mountain of mud by the time it get's to the bottom ...well u know.My point being WE WILL NEVER QUIT , WE ARE NOT GOING AWAY, AND WE WILL FIND ANYWAY POSSIBLE TO GET THIS MOTORSPORTS PARK TO HAPPEN.ANY POLITICIANS WHO OPPOSE WILL BE VOTED OUT OF A JOB.PERIOD.:eek:

[NYMontess]

I 2nd that, been doing this for 3 yrs. now. not stopping yet.

[Art]

Think of it as a tug o war. We are all on the same side, just some are capable of pullin' a bit more than others. We all do what we can.

[Supershafts]

That's all it takes....information handed out to the people and us explaining how they just do not care about you and make decisions on there own personal agenda...

And it's not a lie..there are transcripts..and then we have the reply from bartunek here...even further hurting himself....and to think he was a college professor

[Lauski]

You think how you want.I know what I have done here on this subject.I'm involved in Riverhead Politics along time.Do it your way.

[Lauski]

Sports.doc | File type: application/msword Download File - Need Help?

Good Morning. I’m Phil Cardinale, Riverhead Town Supervisor.

I’m here to welcome you, listen to you, and correct some misperceptions.

So, Welcome to Riverhead, where, contrary to public opinion, the Town invites and embraces the Motor Sports in Community.

This is why the Zoning on a large part of this EPCAL site specifically permits motor sports uses including “racetracks for automobiles and motorcycles” and “speedway operations.”

This is why Riverhead Raceway is a landmark in our Town.

The Town fully recognizes the substantial benefits generated by motor sports and the motor sports community. The Town fully recognizes the long and distinguished history of motor our Town.

Decisions, however, are necessary sometimes between two good choices. The Town Board was recently faced with just such a decision.

Two proposals were presented for the same 750 acre parcel. Both developers were impressive. Both proposals were attractive. Both proposals were very similar in regard to purchase price and benefits to our community.

One proposal called for 8 integrated, themed, year-round, destination resorts in a Disney-like setting. The second proposal called for an event-oriented, family destination with a motor sports emphasis.

Negotiations could commence only with one entity. The Town Board needed to decide who would be the initial negotiating partner.

A difficult choice was posed and a difficult decision was made.

Incidentally, by the time the vote reached me, that difficult decision had been made, and I specifically noted before my vote that a critical factor in my vote was my desire to move forward with this important project with a Town Board as united as possible.

I can understand your disappointment, but there is no need for despair for the following reasons:

(1) Should negotiations with the initial negotiating partner not succeed, the Town will immediately move to commence negotiations with the second – Rexcorp.

(2) If negotiations with the initial negotiating partner do succeed, the Town has asked Rexcorp to focus its continued interest and involvement on the remaining 500 acres available for development at EPCAL. This invitation encompasses proposed development for all zoned uses including motor sports.

(3) I believe (and I believe a majority of the Town Board believes) that noise issues related to motor sports use can be addressed adequately by partial or complete enclosure or other measures, and that traffic issues for a 10,000 spectator venue as proposed present no insurmountable problem.

I mean my welcome to you this morning. Like you, I’d like to see more creative and innovative development proposals from Scott Rechler shape the balance of this EPCAL site. I welcome the opportunity to work with you and with the surrounding community to resolve any noise, traffic, or other issues that stand in our way.

Thank you.

[Lauski]

: CARDINALE@riverheadli.com; PJ
Subject: Motor Sports Rally 9-29-07

Hi John

Attached is a copy of my remarks at the rally. I was favorably
impressed by the low turnout.

Best regards

[betcha618]

ok........ you just proved the number of us there does make a difference to him, which again contradicts what you said before that he doesn't care about people that don't vote in Riverhead.

[betcha618]

Any who, I just cleaned the car, i'm ready for tonight:

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[Supershafts]

Lol let him keep underestimating me...

The difference between him and me is he doesn't have my motivation or desire, not to mention my energy.

The 2nd problem is his decision is a terrible reason and lacks the proof to be.

I heard that insanely stupid speech 1st hand and the people of riverhead should be disgusted with his reasoning alone for choosing it and extremely disgusted at his reasoning for voting no...

[thenative1]

: CARDINALE@riverheadli.com; PJ
Subject: Motor Sports Rally 9-29-07

Hi John

Attached is a copy of my remarks at the rally. I was favorably
impressed by the low turnout.

Best regards

YA, I ALSO NOTED THE TURNOUT. NOT A SINGLE SOUL IN FAVOR OF THE 354FT PILE OF SHT..I ALSO NOTED EVERY SINGLE POLL DONE ON THIS MATTER 86% AND ABOVE ALL IN FAVOR OF A MOTORSPORTS FACILITY.BUT I GUESS YOU STILL CHOOSE TO IGNORE THAT BLINDINGLY GLARING WEE SMALL FACT.

[Tmac]

How did it go tonight?Sorry I couldn't get there a family emergency with my dad.I will be there Sunday with some people bikers and rodders all friendly types.

[spikeybabe22]

Shitty turnout again.

[Lauski]

More Riverhead resident Drivers/owners than out of Towners I thought.
Cardinale still appeared shook.

[spikeybabe22]

where were you?

[Lauski]

I was in the Green Chrysler 300 Hemi C/talking with the Riverhead Raceway Crowd.

[spikeybabe22]

oh ok i saw you then. i was one of the only woman there.

[Supershafts]

I didn't see you....


IM not going to even start with last night

[FReaK]

I didn't see you....


IM not going to even start with last night

Well lets just hope Sunday goes well.....Also, The Riverhead County Fair is Sunday from 10am to 5pm. The event stretches across the entire center of town.

I don't know what effect this may have on meeting at EPCAL, but I'm sure that all the Town Officials will be busy down there. Any suggestions on what to do?

[Art]

Work kept me away. (hence my "iffy" commitment) I'm guessing by the low turnout mentioned above that things didn't go well? Did Mr. Stark or Mr Denseski make any of the motions they mentioned last Saturday? For Sunday I may drag out the rust rocket from it's resting place in my yard. I may have to borrow my nieghbors power washer to get the bird crap off it though......

[bracketman]

I tought the meeting went pretty well. Pit bull from longislandjam gave a very good speech which recieved much applause, as well as many others who spoke. Be positive and keep up the good work. We are being heard on all fronts.

[Supershafts]

Alan did a great job.... LIJ did well also...but i gotta stick by my man Alan...if there is a better way to get the point across then that...i wanna hear it

[thenative1]

Just saw this in today's riverhead suffolk life.

Riverhead Resort: A Reality Or Just A Pipe Dream?
By:David J. Willmott Sr.
10/03/2007

Suffolk Life's editorial board recently had a conversation with Riverhead Town Supervisor Phil Cardinale. Cardinale waxed elegantly about the proposed Riverhead Resort for Riverhead Town.

The proposal, according to Cardinale, will give Riverhead $155 million in needed funds through the sale of the EPCAL property. There will be enough money to pay off the bonded indebtedness of the town and still have money left over. When the property is built out, tax contributions will provide the funding for one-third of the town's budget. Cardinale sees huge benefits when the tourists bring their dollars, helping the entire town.
When we started to press for details, Cardinale became vague. He acknowledged that the 35-story ski mountain may never be built. He didn't seem concerned that the mountain might interfere with aviation, nor was he concerned that a runway built to handle massive jets would have to be destroyed.
We reminded Cardinale that history will help us if we learn from it. A prior town board authorized the creation of an artificial lake on the EPCAL property. The lake was to be utilized by surfers. The hole was dug. The dirt was carted off. The operators abandoned the project. The developer had never been required to post a performance bond, and the town got taken.
Riverhead Resorts is an extremely ambitious project. To ensure that it is completed, the town has a fiduciary responsibility to require that the investors post a performance bond, requiring that each phase of the project be completed on time.
The former Grumman site, called EPCAL, was given to the town of Riverhead for $1. It was a golden goose that could have provided a steady stream of income for the town. The town sold the core of the Calverton property for $17,000,000. The property contained nearly 500 acres and 1,100,000 square feet of very well-constructed buildings. At the time, many charged that the town did not sell the parcel but gave it away.
Since then, there have been numerous proposals for utilization of the property. The town has waffled and been indecisive. The Riverhead Resort plan is intriguing, but the town must ensure that it is more than an idea; it must secure performance bonds that the investors can't walk away from.
On one hand, we congratulate Cardinale for making the decision, but on the other hand, we caution him that he needs solid guarantees that the proposal will become a reality.
And why not?

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willmotts and why not's section.

[thenative1]

County Legislator Dan Losquadro and Town Councilman Kevin McCarrick came with a slew of issues to discuss at the Miller Place Civic Asso

Residents flock to civic meeting to talk about Miller Beach Surf Club

By Anna Gustafson

County Legislator Dan Losquadro and Town Councilman Kevin McCarrick came with a slew of issues to discuss at the Miller Place Civic Association meeting Monday night, but many residents wanted to focus on one topic: the Miller Beach Surf Club.

QUOTE: WEDDINGS+ RESAURANT=TRAFFIC + NOISE=LOWER PROPERTY VALUES. www.surfclubfacts.com

Filling rows of seats at Miller Place Fire Department were upset residents who alleged that a Port Jefferson man has been running a catering business out of the surf club located on Harbor Beach Road for over a year, allegedly in violation of town zoning regulations. They complained that the operation is bringing hundreds of cars every weekend to a residential neighborhood and playing loud music far into the night.

"What is now happening at the surf club is totally out of character for the residential nature of the area," said Miller Place civic president Kathy Rousseau. "It's going above and beyond what they're actually allowed to do there."

Steven Spiliotis, the Port Jefferson resident who owns the Miller Beach Club Inc., denied the accusations and said his business operations are allowed because of the club's pre-existing nonconforming-use status. Additionally, Mr. Spiliotis said he respects the residential neighbors and does not flood the area with traffic.

Mr. Spiliotis formed the Miller Beach Club Inc. in 2005 and entered into a lease agreement with the surf club owners, Setauket residents Claudia Reinhardt and Frank Walter, on March 8, 2006. The lease ends in 2021, and should Ms. Reinhardt and Mr. Walter break the lease's provisions, they agreed to pay Mr. Spiliotis $125,000 for the renovations he has done on the property.

"This is being blown way out of proportion and there's a lot of misinformation out there," said Mr. Spiliotis. "People are saying we're trying to change the zone, trying to put in a pool, trying to have a restaurant open until 2 a.m., and this is all totally false. We're ending our affairs no later than 11:30 p.m. on weekends because I respect the fact that I'm in a residential area."

It's the fact that the business is in a residential area that bothers neighbors, and civic members said the property's class is 417, which under the town code typically allows for such structures as cottages and bungalows. While a pre-existing nonconforming-use status does allow, for example, individuals to run a business in a residential area if that is what the property has always been used for, locals said Mr. Spiliotis is attempting to expand beyond what the surf club has provided in past decades.

"It was always a beach club run by the owners of the property, but for the first time there's an outside group running it," said Thor Kamper, a civic member who resides near the surf club. "We would like the property to be used the way it is zoned to be used, as a beach club."

Part of the dispute may be settled during a town Zoning Board of Appeals hearing on Wednesday, which took place after deadline.

The Miller Beach Surf Club Inc. applied to the ZBA to "correct our violations," Mr. Spiliotis said. The applicant has requested a certificate of existing use for the clubhouse deck, awning, alterations, another deck that is attached to a storage building, gazebo, clubhouse building, a one-story office building, and a one-family dwelling with a covered porch. The club has added these structures without first obtaining town permits.

"We are operating this place in the manner it's been operated in since the mid-1950s," Mr. Spiliotis said. "We are a beach club and on Friday evenings we serve dinner to our membership. And we have catered events for members and nonmembers, primarily on weekends."

The ZBA may approve, deny, hold or put restrictions on the application. Possible restrictions include not allowing Mr. Spiliotis to run a catering business on site. Should board members approve the application, neighbors may file an Article 78, which means a state Supreme Court judge could overturn Brookhaven's decision to approve the application and rule in favor of the neighbors.

Lou Gallo, a Miller Place resident and former ZBA member, said he's suspicious of the club's decision to request a certificate of existing use and said that during his time on the board, he found that such a request is often an indication that the applicant wants to go for a change of zone -- which would allow the club to morph into a "full-fledged catering and restaurant business -- and/or further expand the building.

"It seems like the only motivation for this application for the certificate of existing use is to have changes to the property and its use," he said. "Before you make changes to the property, he would have to have the violations satisfied, which is what he's now looking to do. It looks like he wants to satisfy the violations so it's up to code, and it looks like there will be a change in the character of the property, which will impact this neighborhood."

Mr. Spiliotis vehemently denied wanting to enlarge the facilities or change the property's zoning.

The town's law department issued a summons to the surf club in 2006 for the violation of five town ordinances; this case is currently pending until the ZBA makes a decision.

Mr. McCarrick, who listened to numerous complaints regarding the surf club during the civic meeting, discovered Tuesday that there are 12 violations against Mr. Spiliotis' club pending in district court. These violations include an alleged lack of site plans, illegal clearing and lack of a certificate of occupancy -- which Mr. Spiliotis said he has always had, along with permits from the health department and the state Department of Environmental Conservation.

MY RESPONSE:

N.I.M.B.Y. CIVIC GROUPS ON LONG ISLAND NEED TO PIPE DOWN WITH THERE NOISE = LOWER PROPERTY VALUES CRAP. ENOUGH ALREADY!!!. WHAT LOWERS PROPERTY VALUES... .ILLEGAL ALIENS,HIGH TAXES, LONG ISLAND IS BORING BECAUSE OF N.I.M.B.Y.'S =NOTHING TO DO = PEOPLE LEAVE LONG ISLAND,WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE ALL THESE WHINEY YENTA CIVIC GROUPS THAT REALLY NEED TO GET A HOBBY OTHER THEN BITCHING ABOUT THEIR PRECIOUS PROPERTY VALUES....AND BY THE WAY THERE WILL ALWAYS BE TRAFFIC ON LONG ISLAND .. BECAUSE..WE LIVE ON A FRIGGIN ISLAND.GET OVER IT OR MOVE.


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