EPCAL drag strip builder makes proposal

[LongIsland63SS409]

http://www.riverheadnewsreview.com/news-articles/2426/2426-With-Resorts-gone,-developer-wants-to-build-drag-strip-at-EPCAL.html


With Resorts gone, developer wants to build drag strip at EPCAL
BY TIM GANNON | STAFF WRITER
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Neil Rosenberg of Ronknokoma said his group is interested in building a drag strip on about 250 acres of the 755 acres Riverhead Resorts sought to buy at EPCAL.


Just hours after Riverhead Town canceled its contract with Riverhead Resorts, the group which sought to build eight themed resorts on town-owned land in Calverton, another developer already has his eye on the property.


Neil Rosenberg of Ronkonkoma, who was at Town Hall Friday as the Town Board ended the contract, is hoping the board will sell part of the land to his group which seeks to build a quarter-mile drag racing strip at the former naval Grumman plant property now referred to as EPCAL.


"We were waiting for this to happen," he said in an interview.
Mr. Rosenberg said he was part of Rexcorp group which the Town Board considered selling 755 acres to three years ago. It ultimately decided to sell the land to Riverhead Resorts.



Rexcorp, lead by developer Scott Rechler, sought to build a large resort featuring an oval race track, equestrian facilities, hotels and conference centers and other recreational facilities.



"This is the older proposal on a smaller scale," Mr. Rosenberg said. "Some of the players from that group are ready to immediately propose a smaller project."



Scott Rechler is not involved in the current group, he said.



The group is not proposing residences or resorts or other attractions along with the drag strip, Mr. Rosenberg said.



"It's strictly a drag strip at this time and we'd want a right of first refusal on the remainder of the 755 acres. It would be dug down into the ground, and have noise attenuation, all the things a modern drag strip would have."
There would be spectator stands for between 5,000 and 10,000 people, he said.



Mr. Rosenberg said his group is seeking to buy about 250 acres, at about the same cost per acre Riverhead Resorts was offering in its most recent proposal. That would equate to about $35.7 million.



Supervisor Sean Walter, who spoke briefly with Mr. Rosenberg following Friday's meeting, said he's hoping to hire a planning consultant to study subdividing the land before considering new proposals.



Those processes, along with a town site plan for EPCAL, could take at least a year, he said.



Recreational zoning has to be investigated further, he said.



"We've spent 11 years trying to do something on the recreational zoning and we've had one song and dance after another. It doesn't really work there," Mr. Walter said. "I'm not promoting any use at this point. Let's study it and find out what works for the property."
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[mikelbeck]

http://www.riverheadnewsreview.com/news-articles/2426/2426-Developer-wants-to-build-drag-strip-at-EPCAL.html

Just minutes after Riverhead Town canceled its contract with Riverhead Resorts, the group which sought to build eight themed resorts on town-owned land in Calverton, another developer said he already has his eye on the property.

Neil Rosenberg of Ronkonkoma, who was at Town Hall Friday as the Town Board ended the contract, is hoping the board will sell part of the land to his group which seeks to build a quarter-mile drag racing strip at the former naval Grumman plant property now referred to as EPCAL.

"We were waiting for this to happen," he said in an interview.
Mr. Rosenberg said he was part of Rexcorp group which the Town Board considered selling 755 acres to three years ago. It ultimately decided to sell the land to Riverhead Resorts.


Rexcorp, lead by developer Scott Rechler, sought to build a large resort featuring an oval race track, equestrian facilities, hotels and conference centers and other recreational facilities.


"This is the older proposal on a smaller scale," Mr. Rosenberg said. "Some of the players from that group are ready to immediately propose a smaller project."

Scott Rechler is not involved in the current group, he said.


The group is not proposing residences or resorts or other attractions along with the drag strip, Mr. Rosenberg said.


"It's strictly a drag strip at this time and we'd want a right of first refusal on the remainder of the 755 acres. It would be dug down into the ground, and have noise attenuation, all the things a modern drag strip would have."
There would be spectator stands for between 5,000 and 10,000 people, he said.


Mr. Rosenberg said his group is seeking to buy about 250 acres, at about the same cost per acre Riverhead Resorts was offering in its most recent proposal. That would equate to about $35.7 million.


Supervisor Sean Walter, who spoke briefly with Mr. Rosenberg following Friday's meeting, said he's hoping to hire a planning consultant to study subdividing the land before considering new proposals.


Those processes, along with a town site plan for EPCAL, could take at least a year, he said.


Recreational zoning has to be investigated further, he said.


"We've spent 11 years trying to do something on the recreational zoning and we've had one song and dance after another. It doesn't really work there," Mr. Walter said. "I'm not promoting any use at this point. Let's study it and find out what works for the property."

[chevymadman]

Well its about time somebody said Drag Strip I am in.

[LongIsland63SS409]

I like how this dragstrip is below grade to control the noise levels.
It also provides the foundation for the seating.

The dragstrip is located in Sydney, Australia.

Mike

http://www.lidragracing.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1288&stc=1&d=1289043690

[cowbay]

I like how this dragstrip is below grade to control the noise levels.
It also provides the foundation for the seating.

The dragstrip is located in Sydney, Australia.

Mike

http://www.lidragracing.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1288&stc=1&d=1289043690

I think you meant this website:
http://www.wsid.com.au/
They have a nice set up and good people over there. I speak to them on other web boards
Here is a video which I am tossing your way a 62 Chevy 409 right hand drive who I keep in contact with.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHvNFc7I-Xk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHvNFc7I-Xk

I will also be looking foward to someday seeing this in our possible track that is set down
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IomeH-qjuo&feature=related

[Tmac]

We now have someone to point to as a builder. Now maybe we can rally the support. I guess the ideas of using the old runways are out. Planting it below grade makes sense in a lot of ways. It could offset the cost of the build out by selling the sand that must be removed, sound abatement. Hope this is it so we can focus on the sport and programs that could happen there. Are these guys dentist. I've been hearing for years that a couple of dentist wanted to do this.

[novadose454]

oh heart be still......just to think we can race on long island again.....unreal....dont you just love the words drag strip?? mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[NYMontess]

Great news, lets all hope this works!!!

[Tmac]

Great news, lets all hope this works!!!
Gotta get the word out and press all the politicians to back this idea. I think the ball is in our court especially if Bishop is out. It shows the power of our vote. Don't doubt for a minute we didn't make that happen. Respectful calls and coorespondences to them all is what is needed. We're the chisels that can put it in stone.

[novadose454]

Gotta get the word out and press all the politicians to back this idea. I think the ball is in our court especially if Bishop is out. It shows the power of our vote. Don't doubt for a minute we didn't make that happen. Respectful calls and coorespondences to them all is what is needed. We're the chisels that can put it in stone.

must have been my respectful emails...lol...oh well at least theyre finally acknowleging the fact that were here

[LongIsland63SS409]

I think you meant this website:
http://www.wsid.com.au/
They have a nice set up and good people over there. I speak to them on other web boards
Here is a video which I am tossing your way a 62 Chevy 409 right hand drive who I keep in contact with.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHvNFc7I-Xk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHvNFc7I-Xk

I will also be looking foward to someday seeing this in our possible track that is set down
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IomeH-qjuo&feature=related

Thank you for posting the videos!

I like the idea of the below grade drag strip.

Mike

[pcking]

Thanks for the updates gents - this is the most exciting news that I have heard on this subject in ages. In reading the articles, I see that the new Supervisor is Sean Walter - so what do we know about him?...

Well according to his web site:

> Wants to say “thank you” to the voters of the Town of Riverhead
- What better thank you gift than a nice drag strip?

> Feels it is truly an honor to represent you
- Racing is a sport that oozes honor

> He ran because he loves the town
- And the residents love racing, so share the love...

> He's humbled by the confidence that you have placed in him
- OK, so now comes time to earn it - one drag strip please...

> He will work to make our town an even better place to live, work and raise families
- And by adding racing back to our community, it will be all of this and safer too...

> He invites you to contact him to discuss any issues or concerns you may have
- Let the flood gates open - we need to make the drag strip a top issue for Sean

In one of the articles I read, I noticed that Mr. Walter wants to spend a bunch more time doing research around how the land might be used. I think we need to remind him that this land has been dormant for nearly a decade due mostly to the politics and bureaucracy that came with previous administrations. In addition, the Town of Riverhead stands to make over $30M dollars on the sale and will still retain the majority of the plot for future uses. Not sure about you, but if I were Supervisor, I'd like nothing better then starting my term by squashing the town's debts and loading up the coffers with dollars that can be used for the betterment of the community.

Not sure about you folks, but it seems to me that now is the time to strike while the iron is hot. We've got a buyer/builder and a motivated politician - sounds like the best recipe for success that we've had in as long as I can remember including the Top Gun days.

So, what's the plan - I'm not a leader - just a minion at your service!!! :headbang:

[pcking]

FYI, it looks like Sean will be having a victory party next week (date says Weds 11/18 - so either Weds or Thurs).

It's $65 to get in, but perhaps we should send a few delegates to being the process of influencing Mr. Walter to understand and address our plight.

Any takers? Unless something changes I will be out of town on business, but I'd be willing to go otherwise.

What better way to ask for his support than by showing him ours?!?

[Tmac]

Not much for parties but I think a delegation of well educated people having a sit down with Walters could be a good idea. We should also try to meet directly with groups that are against us to explain our case. The military cemetary grp. would be one on that list. To me they are really the only ones that have a legitimate point and if educated to what we are trying to do, SAVE LIVES, they might come around. The noise issue can be worked out they probably base their reasoning on Riverhead Raceway and are not aware of present day tech. I know Walters cares what they think and wants to be respectful as we all should be.

[betcha618]

Marty has already begun talks with them. Get with the program. If we have two separate people contact them not knowing about the other, we look like asshole. PLEASE hook up with Marty so you guys are not fighting him without even knowing it.

Now i see why Marty gets pissed, you guys are always a day late and a dollar short.

[79TA455STROKED]

Yes VERY true!!!
All u guys should be on L.I.M.A!!!

[Tmac]

I think just about every member here is a member there. I don't think we are in competition with LIMA. We're just the drag racers, LIMA represents all motor sports. Our focus is to promote drag racing only but when we have set up our booth at shows we have promoted LIMA and this site equally as reflected in the paperwork we distribute. Please don't paint us for something we are not. We try to maintain a united front and share any information we get freely.

[cowbay]

I think just about every member here is a member there. I don't think we are in competition with LIMA. We're just the drag racers, LIMA represents all motor sports. Our focus is to promote drag racing only but when we have set up our booth at shows we have promoted LIMA and this site equally as reflected in the paperwork we distribute. Please don't paint us for something we are not. We try to maintain a united front and share any information we get freely.

Well put. We are here to help the cause and not hinder it.

[LongIsland63SS409]

Well put. We are here to help the cause and not hinder it.

+2.

Mike

[betcha618]

Well put. We are here to help the cause and not hinder it.


I think just about every member here is a member there. I don't think we are in competition with LIMA. We're just the drag racers, LIMA represents all motor sports. Our focus is to promote drag racing only but when we have set up our booth at shows we have promoted LIMA and this site equally as reflected in the paperwork we distribute. Please don't paint us for something we are not. We try to maintain a united front and share any information we get freely.


+2.

Mike

If you guys want "a united front" and want to work together and "just about every member here is a member there." then why do you guys never know whats going on???

Being a member there and actually reading the board are two different things. and don't say you do, because if you did, you would have know a day before you posted this thread Marty was already in contact with the GSM's and this thread would have never existed.

aaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnndddddddddd....... you guys waste so much time at car shows but i still have YET to see one of you guys at anything we do. get united BEHIND LIMA and lets get something accomplished. saying your a member over there IS NOT ENOUGH ANYMORE. the time for action and showing your support is NOW!!

[mikelbeck]

aaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnndddddddddd....... you guys waste so much time at car shows

Getting out and talking to the people who have been asking for a new drag strip for years is a "waste of time"? How so?


but i still have YET to see one of you guys at anything we do. get united BEHIND LIMA and lets get something accomplished. saying your a member over there IS NOT ENOUGH ANYMORE. the time for action and showing your support is NOW!!

Ok, so everybody who is a member here is going to pledge their undying support for LIMA. What's gonna happen next? Will a drag strip magically appear once LIMA gets 1000 active members?

I don't see what the big deal is. I read what's being posted over there, seems like just a lot of people yelling about how there has to be unity and everybody needs to get in line but not much else.

[Art]

Actually given the events of the last 24 hours, we are going to need to stand more united than ever. See here:
http://www.riverheadlocal.com/town-hall-notebook/1125-town-board-meeting-wrap-up-nov-16
Pay attention to the part under the CSEA part. You had to see it to believe it.

[betcha618]

Ok, so everybody who is a member here is going to pledge their undying support for LIMA. What's gonna happen next? Will a drag strip magically appear once LIMA gets 1000 active members?

I don't see what the big deal is. I read what's being posted over there, seems like just a lot of people yelling about how there has to be unity and everybody needs to get in line but not much else.

Also if you were paying attention to LIMA like you should be you would know we passed 1000 members weeks ago. and no the drag strip will not appear by magic but if you don't show your faces and help out it WILL DEF. NOT HAPPEN.

[Tmac]

United front would posting positive, sharing information and ideas not knocking the hard work of dedicated people, that is where the divide is. LIMA covers all motor sports we are just drag racing. I guess I'm the invisible man when I'm out there and some people don't hear me when I say hello. betcha when you post you should start off in my opinion and not posing as a spokeperson for LIMA. If car shows are a waste why did LIMA go to the one in Riverhead and who was that guy that had the idea and printed up all those flyers and went around handing them out with paperwork on how to join LIMA, Andy Z and the invisible man. I believe it was touted as a great LIMA success. I'm not one to brag I just walk the walk and do what I can do, share my ideas and info I have. I work towards a goal safe racing not to boost my ego.

[betcha618]

its not about anyone being a spokesperson, but when you over here come up with "ideas" like talking to the GSM's and you get the other uninformed people over here behind you maybe you should get in touch with Marty and see if he has already started down that road, cause if you know go when he's already in talks with them you make all of us look like idiots.

[betcha618]

the show out in Riverhead for the record was when Walter gave us the runaround and basically told us F-you. I didn't see a spectacular jump in membership after that event.

[betcha618]

I'm not trying to argue with you. Simply advising you to get on board, or you'll always be behind in your information. Worry more about your site after the track opens. The RHTB knows LIMA, they have no idea who LI Drag Racing is or even that you exist for that matter.

[mikelbeck]

I'm not trying to argue with you. Simply advising you to get on board, or you'll always be behind in your information. Worry more about your site after the track opens. The RHTB knows LIMA, they have no idea who LI Drag Racing is or even that you exist for that matter.

Actually, they do.

Now who's the one who's not paying attention? :headbang:

[cowbay]

I'm not trying to argue with you. Simply advising you to get on board, or you'll always be behind in your information. Worry more about your site after the track opens. The RHTB knows LIMA, they have no idea who LI Drag Racing is or even that you exist for that matter.

Bethca, I do not know what is getting you amped here but I believe we are working towards the same goal. Most members here are on both boards and reguarly check for updates. It is not like we are living under a rock . I think the efforts by some members has been exemplary where it has put the racing community on the map. Not to speak for the whole board but if Marty asks for help I am sure support here would be great. Maybe it is because I am older but the ego thing is not important to me as long as we accomplish the mission at hand. To sum up the old saying the reason why God put eyes in the front of our heads is so that we may look foawrd not backwards.

[79TA455STROKED]

Bethca, I do not know what is getting you amped here but I believe we are working towards the same goal. Most members here are on both boards and reguarly check for updates. It is not like we are living under a rock . I think the efforts by some members has been exemplary where it has put the racing community on the map. Not to speak for the whole board but if Marty asks for help I am sure support here would be great. Maybe it is because I am older but the ego thing is not important to me as long as we accomplish the mission at hand. To sum up the old saying the reason why God put eyes in the front of our heads is so that we may look foawrd not backwards.

OK,I representing L.I.M.A will ask for ur help!All this posting shld be done on lima to keep the board active so all these new members we been gettin lately will see an active board and stay!
Thats the point Bethca is tryin to make!
We all need to be on ONE board!
Im not sayin do away with lidragracin but instead of u guys just "checking" out lima,u shld be posting to help new members!
I appreciate EVERYTHING u guys been doin at shows,etc and im sure everyone else does too but all of u posting mainly just on this board is hurting us.
As Marty says,we all need to be under one tent,thats drag racing,4x4,road coarse racers,etc.
After we get a place to race,u guys can split off to ur DRAG RACER corner!
Just think about please guys!
The extra posting on LIMA will help us out!
Thanks!!

[mikelbeck]

OK,I representing L.I.M.A will ask for ur help!All this posting shld be done on lima to keep the board active so all these new members we been gettin lately will see an active board and stay!
Thats the point Bethca is tryin to make!
We all need to be on ONE board!
Im not sayin do away with lidragracin but instead of u guys just "checking" out lima,u shld be posting to help new members!
I appreciate EVERYTHING u guys been doin at shows,etc and im sure everyone else does too but all of u posting mainly just on this board is hurting us.
As Marty says,we all need to be under one tent,thats drag racing,4x4,road coarse racers,etc.
After we get a place to race,u guys can split off to ur DRAG RACER corner!
Just think about please guys!
The extra posting on LIMA will help us out!
Thanks!!

I'm more than happy to echo some of the boards here to the LIMA site so it would appear there's more activity there, but I can't imagine that people would abandon this site to go over to the LIMA site.

Activity here has been steadily climbing over the last couple of months, now we get between 120-140 unique visitors per day with only about 20% of those being new visitors (per week). When it came time to renew the site's software license earlier this year a number of members donated to help keep this site alive. So why should they give up on this site to go to another, just to make it seem like there's more activity there?

Why don't the LIMA people come over here and post instead of posting over there? Kind of a silly idea, don't you think?

The "Drag Racing" forum on LIMA used to link here, and we used to have a forum that would link there. But since the drag racing forum linnk was removed from LIMA we removed the LIMA forum link. There are still links in other places from this site to that one, and I'm sure there are some from that one to this one. So our SE saturation helps LIMA and LIMA's helps us.

[Antisocial]

It seems to me it wasn't long ago that every post that Marty made you and your sweetheart called the man an asshole, jerkoff, scumbag and shithead that didn't know how to talk to people. Why the sudden change of heart Mr. Betcha?

[LongIsland63SS409]

OK,I representing L.I.M.A will ask for ur help!All this posting shld be done on lima to keep the board active so all these new members we been gettin lately will see an active board and stay!
Thats the point Bethca is tryin to make!
We all need to be on ONE board!
Im not sayin do away with lidragracin but instead of u guys just "checking" out lima,u shld be posting to help new members!
I appreciate EVERYTHING u guys been doin at shows,etc and im sure everyone else does too but all of u posting mainly just on this board is hurting us.
As Marty says,we all need to be under one tent,thats drag racing,4x4,road coarse racers,etc.
After we get a place to race,u guys can split off to ur DRAG RACER corner!
Just think about please guys!
The extra posting on LIMA will help us out!
Thanks!!

The vendor tent that we setup at selected car shows was a team effort of members of LID.

The display has a tent with a 3x5 foot LID banner, fullsize christmas tree and a generator to run the tree.
The tree is run in the display mode.

Chairs are setup along with a folding table for the literature to hand out.

When we start the generator and light the tree up it is an instant crowd please/favorite.
The flow of people to the display is steady. People come over to the tent and sit down and talk
about growing up here with NY National, Hamptons and the 1/8 mile at Islip.

We even had a Jr. Dragster teenager stop by at one of the shows. I commented to him he should
be our spokesperson. LOL

You wind up losing your voice by the end of the day because you are constantly talking to a crowd
of people who want to drag race on Long Island again.

Literature of LID and LIMA has been handed out at all shows.

I have posted on LIMA several times this summer asking Marty to attend a show. No response to my posts from Marty.
I have always supported LIMA attending various events and meetings. I have also dealt with Marty on a business level
using his shop services several times.

We are in the initial stages of deciding what shows to attend for 2011.
Nassau County is on the top of the list.

Belmont in the spring will likely be the first show.

I would like yourself and Marty to attend the show with LID in the spring.
Obtain a LIMA banner and hang it next to the LID banner as a team effort.

Mike

[Tmac]

the show out in Riverhead for the record was when Walter gave us the runaround and basically told us F-you. I didn't see a spectacular jump in membership after that event.
Check the posts by Marty the day after that event. Why don't you quit knocking and start doing, time better served. Driving the orange car to some event and just standing around does nothing. You have to get out there into the crowd and speak, pass out info. If you think we're wrong here don't be here. I back LIMA and have from the begining. I'm not a Johnny come lately for the glory, I'm dedicated to eliminating some of those roadside memorials, saving lives which I strongly believe requires a safe purpose built facility. I don't have to be in the lanes and may never be, but if I see kids lining up in those lanes with their rods I know I've done my job, because I know if I don't I'll see more memorials and I have failed. That is what I stand for and will stand united with anybody that understands that. I believe many LIMA members do I know Marty does. To me it's more than racing it's racing safe. I think we can all agree when the racing is done we want to see everybody going home.

[betcha618]

Not to speak for the whole board but if Marty asks for help I am sure support here would be great. Maybe it is because I am older but the ego thing is not important to me as long as we accomplish the mission at hand. .

Everytime he asks for help by you guys attending a Town Board meeting with us to show our unity, the same 5 people show up.




Why don't the LIMA people come over here and post instead of posting over there? Kind of a silly idea, don't you think?

The "Drag Racing" forum on LIMA used to link here, and we used to have a forum that would link there. But since the drag racing forum linnk was removed from LIMA we removed the LIMA forum link. There are still links in other places from this site to that one, and I'm sure there are some from that one to this one. So our SE saturation helps LIMA and LIMA's helps us.


If LIMA is behind and at the for front of this fight, yes everyone should be posting over there, posting over here when you guys only know whats going on AFTER READING IT IN THE PAPER is to me Behind on current issues. We are there, at the RHTB meetings and we know whats going on and what needs to be done BEFORE reading the papers.


It seems to me it wasn't long ago that every post that Marty made you and your sweetheart called the man an asshole, jerkoff, scumbag and shithead that didn't know how to talk to people. Why the sudden change of heart Mr. Betcha?

Thats because not too long ago I was on this board and much like you guys were in the dark and THOUGHT what was going on over here was on the for front UNTILL i started going on LIMA regularly and talking to Marty personally and going to every town board meeting and seeing the issues really at hand.




I would like yourself and Marty to attend the show with LID in the spring.
Obtain a LIMA banner and hang it next to the LID banner as a team effort.

Mike

and one time we would like to see you and the rest of the LI Drag Racing guys at a RHTB meeting to show them our unity.


Check the posts by Marty the day after that event. Why don't you quit knocking and start doing, time better served.
Driving the orange car to some event and just standing around does nothing.

Because 99.9999% of car show people are just that, car show people. and you guys are handling that. I went to 4 car shows this whole year so don't act like i go to every one. and when i do go its usually for an hour to find parts at the swap meet.



I back LIMA and have from the begining. I'm not a Johnny come lately for the glory, I'm dedicated to eliminating some of those roadside memorials, saving lives which I strongly believe requires a safe purpose built facility. I don't have to be in the lanes and may never be, but if I see kids lining up in those lanes with their rods I know I've done my job, because I know if I don't I'll see more memorials and I have failed. That is what I stand for and will stand united with anybody that understands that. I believe many LIMA members do I know Marty does. To me it's more than racing it's racing safe. I think we can all agree when the racing is done we want to see everybody going home.

all i was saying is your efforts will be better guided and more effective if you knew what was actually going on , not just what you read in the Riverhead News Review. thats all I was trying to get at.

[chevymadman]

If we don`t stay united its all going to be over. This is it last shot at having a track. My son played baseball with sean walters son. I talked to him about a Drag Strip in Calverton. This was in the summer time he told me he loves cars. He said the only thing is the noise and people paying respect at Calverton to love ones would be a problem. If something cannot be done about the noise he would not go for any kind of racing. I talked to him for one hour about it. So people stay united or it will be over we need to show force this time. This is no walk in the park here.

[mikelbeck]

If we don`t stay united its all going to be over. This is it last shot at having a track. My son played baseball with sean walters son. I talked to him about a Drag Strip in Calverton. This was in the summer time he told me he loves cars. He said the only thing is the noise and people paying respect at Calverton to love ones would be a problem. If some cannot be done about the noise he would not go for any kind of racing. I talked to him for one hour about it. So people stay united or it will be over we need to show force this time. This is no walk in the park here.

I've been talking with Sean about this for years - even before he was elected. His answer has always been the same, he would LOVE to have a drag strip at EPCAL. But the issues that need to be resolved first are a) noise, b) money for the town, c) traffic and d) somebody with a solid plan and the money to back it up.

The last time I saw him I gave him a couple of LIDragRacing.com decals for his personal car. :3gears:

[Tmac]

Everytime he asks for help by you guys attending a Town Board meeting with us to show our unity, the same 5 people show up.




If LIMA is behind and at the for front of this fight, yes everyone should be posting over there, posting over here when you guys only know whats going on AFTER READING IT IN THE PAPER is to me Behind on current issues. We are there, at the RHTB meetings and we know whats going on and what needs to be done BEFORE reading the papers.



Thats because not too long ago I was on this board and much like you guys were in the dark and THOUGHT what was going on over here was on the for front UNTILL i started going on LIMA regularly and talking to Marty personally and going to every town board meeting and seeing the issues really at hand.



and one time we would like to see you and the rest of the LI Drag Racing guys at a RHTB meeting to show them our unity.



Because 99.9999% of car show people are just that, car show people. and you guys are handling that. I went to 4 car shows this whole year so don't act like i go to every one. and when i do go its usually for an hour to find parts at the swap meet.
The lack of a race track is exactly why 99.8% of the people turned to street cars. They want to be in it but can't afford the Jersey trip or want to take it. They don't want to look at something on stands. So the street is the option to get together at these shows it's the closest thing to the track we've got here where car guy can hang out together. You don't build a high horse power car to look at it. Sure there's the show queens but I see money cars at every show I've been at. Lot's of them. I talk to them hand out the paperwork they are all estatic and many had no idea that anything was going on. They want a safe haven all of them but some of them hit the streets. When I'm at these shows I represent LIMA and LIDragRacing equally. I'm proud to do it and am a member of both orgs.



all i was saying is your efforts will be better guided and more effective if you knew what was actually going on , not just what you read in the Riverhead News Review. thats all I was trying to get at.Did you ever consider that what you posts actually turn people away from LIMA. Drag racers more than likely come here first, well because their drag racers and they like this stuff and say why bother. To all you racers reading this please become a member here and at LIMA, both sites have value if your into the sports. LIMA will have current political news and we just put a drag racers slant on it. All opinions, ideas and information are valued here and freely shared. So if you got em, post em.

[betcha618]

The only people that get turned away from LIMA are people that want the news after its news. People that want to be the news are over there. Just my opinion. come out to the LIMA meeting that's coming up and you'll see what I'm talking about. I guarantee there's a plethora of information that we talk about in private at the meeting that you would want to here.

[spikeybabe22]

It seems to me it wasn't long ago that every post that Marty made you and your sweetheart called the man an asshole, jerkoff, scumbag and shithead that didn't know how to talk to people. Why the sudden change of heart Mr. Betcha?


It's funny how some people just keep harping on old things..anything that was said to Marty was in reference to a comment that was made to us...you don't get people to join and follow by insulting them...especially when they want to know whats going on......I swear....Somethings never change around here....

Carry on all...Ill continue to read the updates....AMAZING ...how everyone wants to unite as one...and yet can't seem to stop bickering.

[Tmac]

The only people that get turned away from LIMA are people that want the news after its news. People that want to be the news are over there. Just my opinion. come out to the LIMA meeting that's coming up and you'll see what I'm talking about. I guarantee there's a plethora of information that we talk about in private at the meeting that you would want to here.Your right.