View Full Version : What would you be willng to pay......
Suicide666
03-25-2010, 09:18 PM
To race in a "Pinks" type setup for three hours?
TURBOPOWERED68
03-26-2010, 08:05 AM
i paid 200.00 for a track rental spot for 7 hours.
it would depend on how many runs i can get in.
Suicide666
03-26-2010, 04:33 PM
15 views and one responce? Come on people work with me.
It's no wonder.............
I have to put a car together first but 2 bills wouldn't be bad. Where are you going with this. Are you looking for a track rental deal with a cash pay day. I havn't been down the 1320 since the 70's s I'd be easy pickins, but for the sport and fun of it I'd be game. How would you break down the action as some people have cars that are slightly faster then others and amoung us if we got 20 people to go, tens or better would take out about 15 of us.
"Pinks" is a heads up format deal IIRC. As long as it was something that street driven cars would be competitive in, you can put me in for two cars.
Suicide666
03-26-2010, 09:00 PM
I've been talking to a few land owners that have locations out my way. I need to work on the insurance angle and check a few more town codes, including my lawyer before I present the options.
All the details we can work out later, trust me that will be the easy part. In addition I don't think it will be a full 1/4 mile either.
There will be a limited number of people allowed, due to time restraints. If you have no insurance please don't waste my time. Also, and this will sound crazy, there could be DBA restraints.
"Street Cars" might be the only way we can go.
JAYMAN454
03-26-2010, 09:25 PM
To race legally on long island evan an 1/8th i'd pay more than $200 for 1 pass to stick it to those who oppose us.
in a street car
Suicide666
03-26-2010, 09:39 PM
To race legally on long island evan an 1/8th i'd pay more than $200 for 1 pass to stick it to those who oppose us.
in a street car
Sticking it to those who oppose us will end in failure. Change your thinking, even if it hurts.
JAYMAN454
03-26-2010, 09:44 PM
More like getting 1 on the score board so to say
Suicide666
03-26-2010, 09:53 PM
More like getting 1 on the score board so to say
You could not believe how much you are right by saying that. See? Was that not easy?
JAYMAN454
03-26-2010, 10:08 PM
East end politics ?
Suicide666
03-26-2010, 10:14 PM
I have a handle on it, locals only lol.
I perfer brackets, many people can out spend me, but I'll cut your heart out on the starting line and know how to play the finishline game. However anything is better then nothing and to keep it on LI, I'd drop $200
Well here are the rules I'm currently set up for:
Heads up format on a pro tree.
One or two time shots (depending on car count).
Random race ladder. (From a hat)
32 car field Max
1. Stock suspension, stock frame rail example: southside bars, adjustable control arms, anti-roll bar, adjustable shocks, and air bags NO coil-overs, NO WHEELIE BARS
2. 26 X 10 street or slick tire (see list below) 17inch tires any width allowed
3. NO POWER ADDERS
A. no nitrous equipment at all in engine bay or visible inside the car.
4. Engine
A. small block: factory production block, standard deck heights only
1. No raised cam
2. No vacuum pumps, crank triggers, data loggers, delay boxes
3. Standard valve angle heads no raised intake runner
4. Cast intake 1 carb no dominators
B. big block: 9.8 deck only stock block
1. No raised cam
2. No vacuum pumps, crank triggers, data loggers, delay boxes ( factory installed ok)
3. Production cast steel heads only (no excuses)
4. Cast intake 1 carb no dominators
5. Exhaust
A. complete passed the rear axle exiting passed the body line dual 3inch, single 4inch max
B. exhaust fumes must all exit out the tail pipes no cutouts or silly holes at all
C. mufflers required
6. Factory working lights,
7. Full interior (deemed by tech) back seat delete allowed must be finished and rugged
8. All car must be tagged and insured (no dealer plates or temps)
9. Weights with drivers
smallblock 3200lbs
Bigblock 3500lbs
10. Examples of approved tires:
ET DRAG 26X10 MAX
ET STREET 26X10.5
26X11.5
DRAG RADIAL
235/60 15
275/50 15
255/50 16
Hoosier 26x10 slick
Pretty simple eh? Tweak as necessary but they are easy to follow.
To race legally on long island evan an 1/8th i'd pay more than $200 for 1 pass to stick it to those who oppose us.
in a street car
Learn to think like those that oppose us. Learn their tactics, who they know politically. Most of the civic groups aren't big they just have a plan and stick to it and politicians are just that they always grease the squeakest wheels. If the motorsports community could get its act together it would have to be compensated in some matter. Now there's your problem where is the support. Something like this could raise some eyebrows and ignite the fire. Whatever is done it must be performed in a professional manner. Beer drinking fighting or any form of what they see as lawlessness would destroy the effort and give news 12 something to talk about. Well organized safely operated would only play in our favor.
Suicide I understand limiting the field but the area in mind would it hold a substaintial audience. A large attendence would go a long way.
novadose454
03-27-2010, 05:34 PM
im in for two bills......i have a street car.....fully legal.....insured by hagerty.....inspected...the whole nine yards....now what????....
novadose454
03-27-2010, 05:37 PM
just read your rules......im out.....wont pass what your looking for......whats wrong with big blocks??....so much for bracket racing...that makes for a fair sport....
just read your rules......im out.....wont pass what your looking for......whats wrong with big blocks??....so much for bracket racing...that makes for a fair sport....
Theres big blocks in those rules. (12 lines down) Those were just a suggestion from me. Those are "street car" rules more or less. Nothing is set yet.
LongIsland63SS409
03-27-2010, 08:47 PM
I've been talking to a few land owners that have locations out my way. I need to work on the insurance angle and check a few more town codes, including my lawyer before I present the options.
All the details we can work out later, trust me that will be the easy part. In addition I don't think it will be a full 1/4 mile either.
There will be a limited number of people allowed, due to time restraints. If you have no insurance please don't waste my time. Also, and this will sound crazy, there could be DBA restraints.
"Street Cars" might be the only way we can go.
I'd pay $200 to watch a legal drag race on Long Island again LOL
Come to the next meeting and present us the details in black and white.
Nobody here has ever met you in person. It would be a great way to break the ice
and present your plan.
Mike
novadose454
03-27-2010, 09:06 PM
Theres big blocks in those rules. (12 lines down) Those were just a suggestion from me. Those are "street car" rules more or less. Nothing is set yet.
good....then allow backed halved roll caged cars and count me in ....again......after all ...bracket racing evens the feel..
hwy hawk
03-27-2010, 10:02 PM
I'd like to run my 10 second super street car again. PLEASE COUNT US IN.
hwy hawk
03-27-2010, 10:05 PM
good....then allow backed halved roll caged cars and count me in ....again......after all ...bracket racing evens the feel..
just to get some time shots in for the 10 second cars would be nice.
NYMontess
03-27-2010, 11:50 PM
I would have to change to much to run with those rules.
But I would still spend some $'s just to watch.
novadose454
03-27-2010, 11:55 PM
sorry never was a spectator....so lets make the rules so we all can play.....the more of us on the track..the more fun...the more they know we re out there.....
TURBOPOWERED68
03-28-2010, 04:04 AM
Count me out:mad: Rules
i have a small BS V6 and a hair dryer.
i am mostly interested in grudge and TNT.
andy79z28
03-28-2010, 08:29 AM
Sounds more like the rules are set up for the street racer. My car came stock with larger tires then the rules allow me to run. But I would attend and pay admission to watch.
novadose454
03-28-2010, 08:59 AM
Count me out:mad: Rules
i have a small BS V6 and a hair dryer.
i am mostly interested in grudge and TNT.
mmmmmmm grudge and tnt ......should be allowed.....might be good to have just that...get some steam off and have a great time all in one....
Suicide666
03-28-2010, 09:10 AM
We are getting waaaaaay ahead of ourselves.
novadose454
03-28-2010, 09:23 AM
you started it....not us....were just chatting.......and thinking....
TURBOPOWERED68
03-28-2010, 09:59 AM
like Nova said we are just discussing the proposed rules and how they would effect us
We are getting waaaaaay ahead of ourselves.
I'd agree but you lit the fire and look at the results if this thing got out to the motorsports community at large it would be huge so the place would have to be able to hold a big crowd racers and spectators. If you remember Westhampton when they ran promod or when Force and Pedrogon were there that's probably what you would be looking at as a crowd. As far as racers go getting the rules established now would at least give those looking to participate time to tweak there cars to comply or at least know what it will take so if it pans out their ready to set up for it.
novadose454
03-28-2010, 10:48 AM
do an nhra test and tune day......what would be more perfect than that??? we go by nhra for safety......and since we dont need classes....its all easy......no muss no fuss....and well have a great turnout with everyone participating...no one left behind
do an nhra test and tune day......what would be more perfect than that??? we go by nhra for safety......and since we dont need classes....its all easy......no muss no fuss....and well have a great turnout with everyone participating...no one left behind
Not a bad idea. Enjoy Belmont Dose.
spikeybabe22
03-28-2010, 11:05 AM
i think Art got that info off the smallblockposse website. lol
Suicide666
03-28-2010, 11:23 AM
I'd agree but you lit the fire and look at the results if this thing got out to the motorsports community at large it would be huge so the place would have to be able to hold a big crowd racers and spectators. If you remember Westhampton when they ran promod or when Force and Pedrogon were there that's probably what you would be looking at as a crowd. As far as racers go getting the rules established now would at least give those looking to participate time to tweak there cars to comply or at least know what it will take so if it pans out their ready to set up for it.
We don't want a huge crowd first time out.
TURBOPOWERED68
03-28-2010, 11:38 AM
i wouldn't change my car to fit a "class"
because i built it the way i want it, Secondly changing a build involves money and most of the pay-outs in the "Classes" don't even cover a set of tires.
i don't race for the money i race for the fun of it and to smack talk with my friends and family
i know some that would change a build and a lot that wouldn't
its your house if i can play as i am i'll play if i can't good luck.
We are getting waaaaaay ahead of ourselves.
I'd agree but you lit the fire and look at the results if this thing got out to the motorsports community at large it would be huge so the place would have to be able to hold a big crowd racers and spectators. If you remember Westhampton when they ran promod or when Force and Pedrogon were there that's probably what you would be looking at as a crowd. As far as racers go getting the rules established now would at least give those looking to participate time to tweak there cars to comply or at least know what it will take so if it pans out their ready to set up for it.
novadose454
03-28-2010, 02:55 PM
i wouldn't change my car to fit a "class"
because i built it the way i want it, Secondly changing a build involves money and most of the pay-outs in the "Classes" don't even cover a set of tires.
i don't race for the money i race for the fun of it and to smack talk with my friends and family
i know some that would change a build and a lot that wouldn't
its your house if i can play as i am i'll play if i can't good luck.
i agree with turbo...i wouldnt change a part on my car to get into any race.....it is what i want it to be....and i cant see why suicide doesnt want a big turnout....??????? isnt that what we all want..???.....people to see that we are here and we want a track and theres a shit load of us....??? a small amt of people will mean....that there are only a few of us......lets rethink this....
Suicide666
03-28-2010, 05:48 PM
What is there to rethink? You are so far ahead of yourselves its crazy.
novadose454
03-28-2010, 09:31 PM
no way........your slow.......lets get on the ball and get this show on the road......
RICHIESBLOWN34
03-29-2010, 01:19 AM
To many rules.....run what ya brung......next thing ya know your gonna want trophys too......Been a way for a while but Im back.......as long as your car is safe for the speed it runs.......
novadose454
03-29-2010, 09:02 AM
well look who popped his head out of the hole.....did ya see your shadow???
i think Art got that info off the smallblockposse website. lol
I absolutely did. And that's the rules I happen to be set up for at the moment. It was just an idea, jeez.
Back to the original question, Put me in for two cars. Believe me, car rules are the last thing we should be talking about. So far by my tally, I see 4 cars. Let me say that again, FOUR That's all we got? 371 board members, 18 or 20 daily posters, and 4 cars commit? I'm somewhat disappointed.
novadose454
03-29-2010, 09:39 AM
the rest will catch up .....were still in the planning stage....build it and they will come
We don't want a huge crowd first time out.
That would be a fore gone conclusion if word got out. Keeping it private. You would have to do some kind pick out of a hat invitational deal to keep it down with the location kept quiet.
To many rules.....run what ya brung......next thing ya know your gonna want trophys too......Been a way for a while but Im back.......as long as your car is safe for the speed it runs.......
What would the trophies look like. Should they have the LIMA or LIDragRacing logo on them or both. JUST KIDDING let's not go there or the race will be in the next century. I agree on the other.
RICHIESBLOWN34
03-29-2010, 11:26 AM
well look who popped his head out of the hole.....did ya see your shadow???
Hi dose...long time no hear or see...how ya been ya old goat...lol
Suicide666
03-29-2010, 01:56 PM
That would be a fore gone conclusion if word got out. Keeping it private. You would have to do some kind pick out of a hat invitational deal to keep it down with the location kept quiet.
This would be done for a one time trial event. Three hours, and insurance is going to be an issue for most.
spikeybabe22
03-29-2010, 02:11 PM
I absolutely did. And that's the rules I happen to be set up for at the moment. It was just an idea, jeez.
Back to the original question, Put me in for two cars. Believe me, car rules are the last thing we should be talking about. So far by my tally, I see 4 cars. Let me say that again, FOUR That's all we got? 371 board members, 18 or 20 daily posters, and 4 cars commit? I'm somewhat disappointed.
lol those guys are a lil more stringent with their rules lol....
if i had a car it would be 5...
PitchBlackSS
03-29-2010, 05:42 PM
What would the trophies look like. Should they have the LIMA or LIDragRacing logo on them or both. JUST KIDDING let's not go there or the race will be in the next century. I agree on the other.
Easily handled
TURBOPOWERED68
03-29-2010, 09:03 PM
it shouldn't surprise you most people just talk ship.
i had 30 people (including family members) that whir definitely going to my track rental and once i made arrangements for the track and asked for money all i got was crickets.
I absolutely did. And that's the rules I happen to be set up for at the moment. It was just an idea, jeez.
Back to the original question, Put me in for two cars. Believe me, car rules are the last thing we should be talking about. So far by my tally, I see 4 cars. Let me say that again, FOUR That's all we got? 371 board members, 18 or 20 daily posters, and 4 cars commit? I'm somewhat disappointed.
novadose454
03-29-2010, 09:19 PM
money up front..
Suicide666
03-29-2010, 09:28 PM
Seems to be that way, I'm giving this one shot. Otherwise I'm not wasting my time, I race either way.
Easily handled
Don't pull the handle on the register just yet.
Seems to be that way, I'm giving this one shot. Otherwise I'm not wasting my time, I race either way.
How many cars are we talking? What would make it worth your effort? What would be the outlay per racer and what would be the purse?. If it was a success what next?
novadose454
03-29-2010, 10:34 PM
screw the purse......lets just break out even...and have a ball...i want to race....anyone..someone..... all of ya....besides we can place bets on the side..make our own purse.....any problems with that?????
TURBOPOWERED68
03-30-2010, 01:08 AM
i agree with Nova 10000000%
screw the purse......lets just break out even...and have a ball...i want to race....anyone..someone..... all of ya....besides we can place bets on the side..make our own purse.....any problems with that?????
I'm with Nova also. I really am not in it for the money (who is...the returns aren't there) I just want to have fun. So now we have Five cars....... still boggles my mind.
novadose454
03-30-2010, 09:00 AM
yeah five cars and no place to run them.....we re bad....lol........i know theres a lot of guys out there.....need to get the word out....that is ...if this thing is for real.....
How many people are posting here 5 so we're at 100%. One of the problems is that one of the requirements is a street car many here have track cars so there out. I would think Suicides street buddies would take up some of the spots. Forgetting the purse question I think the other questions are valid, but if your tring to pull in street racers a purse might be necessary. I'm in for the fun of it and to bring focus that we are still out there.
Suicide666
03-30-2010, 01:45 PM
This would be for fun, no purse. There are other places to win a K on the weekend. Again, it would be for demonstration purpose with FULLY insured cars. I'm working on insurace issues today.
novadose454
03-30-2010, 08:50 PM
good...keep working....we wanna race......
As far as insurance issues go I'm assuming that the price of admission would cover that with something for the land owners. Do you have a # of cars in mind or will that be determined by cost factors. I think I could bring a few other insured street cars. Some are members here in #s only they don't post.
novadose454
03-30-2010, 10:18 PM
i can bring a bunch of guys with legal street cars.....theyd love to race....just need to know something is really going to happen...
GRRRR67RA
03-31-2010, 07:23 PM
i would be willing to race, i run pure stock drags,insured too
mikelbeck
03-31-2010, 10:47 PM
I'm in. When, where, how? I'll race my truck. ;-)
novadose454
03-31-2010, 11:15 PM
ok...suicide we got some cars and more on the way.....soooooooooooooooooooo????????????????????? ??? now the ball is in your court....lets see something of substance...whats the game plan?????
spikeybabe22
03-31-2010, 11:33 PM
ill race my jeep.
novadose454
04-01-2010, 07:36 AM
and the count goes up .....
Suicide666
04-01-2010, 10:13 AM
There is a problem..........
spikeybabe22
04-01-2010, 10:22 AM
im not racing my jeep lol ill have the baby bring her quad lol
NYMontess
04-01-2010, 09:23 PM
There is a problem..........
What type of problem did you run into?
novadose454
04-01-2010, 09:43 PM
:violent1:oh oh ......here it comes.....im going on the roof.....first no santa.....second...easter bunny....then there was that ...ill love you forever......and now this....cant be good.....hes got no place to race....his neighbor isnt going on vacation and he cant use the driveway......shit...
Suicide666
04-02-2010, 08:03 AM
What type of problem did you run into?
Insurance issue with the location....
JAYMAN454
04-02-2010, 10:45 AM
Dixie drags ?
novadose454
04-02-2010, 10:53 AM
figures.............
LongIsland63SS409
04-02-2010, 10:56 AM
Insurance issue with the location....
Come to the next LID meeting so we can discuss and possibly find a solution.
Mike
Dixie drags ?
LIMA Marty has been at this game a long time and knows many people that could help settle the issue. He's investigated all the angles.
novadose454
04-02-2010, 04:58 PM
:headbang::2215::3gears:
Suicide666
04-02-2010, 09:31 PM
LIMA Marty has been at this game a long time and knows many people that could help settle the issue. He's investigated all the angles.
Let's just say Greenport won't have us.
JAYMAN454
04-03-2010, 01:05 PM
back to flyers .
novadose454
04-03-2010, 02:32 PM
so much for that...
Suicide666
04-03-2010, 04:51 PM
Let's just say Greenport won't have us.
If you want my help NEVER edit my post.
TURBOPOWERED68
04-04-2010, 03:51 PM
If you want my help NEVER edit my post.
so what was the original post??
Supershafts
04-04-2010, 10:03 PM
LIMA Marty has been at this game a long time and knows many people that could help settle the issue. He's investigated all the angles.
Insurance without a known track operator, taking this on will easily double the insurance for that person, so instead of say 3k a day you could see 5k or more...
To get the insurance to hold speed contests you need jersey barriers (or instal guard rails) and then you need it for the length you intend to run and half the distance for the shut down area. (so you need to make the land owner aware they will be there for a few months in a temporary setting)
This is all on L.I.M.A.
If there was an area for this i would have it, of the area's that can, 2 have been denied, others haven't returned our calls yet, and we aren't pursuing anything less then 600 ft.
Funny how someone is seeing the light and has changed there attitude...
Come to the next meeting april 28th, you know where it is!
Supershafts
04-04-2010, 10:09 PM
If you want my help ALWAYS edit my post.
lol what help have you given.... lets see, run your mouth, make dopey posts about your street racing bs, and then never show up to race after making it a point...
What help.... When i walked away for a month, letting you have full control... you didn't do anything, meet with anyone, get or even try to work getting people elected....
See you in another 6 months or so.....
novadose454
04-05-2010, 12:06 AM
ouch...here we go again........didnt last long did it..?
They say "the proof is in the pudding". I'm hungry. Anyone else??
If you want my help NEVER edit my post.
I will edit or delete any post I feel hurts our cause, with a totally useless line, that's what I'm suppose to do. So now you can say your not going to help us and it's all my fault. You have someone to blame and it's your way to save face. I try to get along with everyone I meet but if certain people don't like me I don't care. I'm not in this to become popular, I'm in it to solve a problem I tried to give you a person that could help you with your insurance problem, Marty, you may not like him but if you were serious about doing something and dedicated to helping provide a safe environment you would put personal issues aside for the greater good of the sport. Marty may not be the most popular guy on the planet and he has done some things I didn't agree with, but most that have been involved myself included know that Marty knows what he's talking about and has walked the walk. He could help you with your insurance issues but somehow the insurance issue became a township not wanting us issue. My money's with Marty if I lose the bet well I'll know I went down with some real racers that tried to do the right thing the right way and that's the only way I fly.
spikeybabe22
04-05-2010, 02:30 PM
Some of us cant see lima.
novadose454
04-05-2010, 07:01 PM
maybe marty will allow you to get on lima if you behave yourself.....i think you were just following someone elses lead and figured that you could bust his chops and get away with it....its his site....like him or not....he can do with it what he wants....try a personal message and see if it works.....im sure it will start with an apology....real racers are together when it comes to getting a place and not put all this ego shit on the line ...if you dont like someone.....blow his doors off at the track that we might see ..hopefully in our lifetime.....but lets stop this bullshit....i dropped it...im sure everyone can too......
I would suggest going to the next LIMA meeting it's on the 28th of this month at the Royal Oak Diner Sunrise Hwy and Station Rd. that's exit 56 south service Rd. Marty's a good guy he just doesn't like bs and to be honest it's probably our biggest enemy. If people could shelve the personal differences and focus on the goal, a safe facility, we'd be there already. I guess I'm as guilty as anybody with the going off topic when someone posts something that gets to me personally. Every bit of it damages us. If we could just keep focused and set our sights we could get it done or at least get a real answer why it isn't being allowed. We've asked the right questions to the right people but with no real answers. We just have keep knocking on the door, calling, sending letters, petitions go to town halls civic meetings and getting on the cases of those that are against us. by fighting among ourselves only makes them smile those little irritating smiles as they rub their hands together. No matter where we came from whats our background we all have one thing in common we love racing and where pissed off that we are being denied our sport here. So like Nova says lets stick together and get it done and take our differences out on the track. Nothing like a good grudge match. It puts everybody against the fence. If you come up with an idea be up front we're all here to help. If it doesn't pan out at least you tried and we did what we could to help. The important thing is you tried and we all understand all to well their against us and not panning out is part of the process, but if we do it together that next idea might be the one that clicks.
LongIsland63SS409
04-07-2010, 11:05 PM
Some of us cant see lima.
Hey I thought Spikey was back on LIMA.
Spikey is an active member in our monthly meetings who shares our goals and deserves
a second chance on LIMA.
Mike
novadose454
04-07-2010, 11:18 PM
whatsay marty.....ya think you can give her another chance....???.....a few of us would like to see her on lima again....how about it..?
mikelbeck
04-12-2010, 03:09 PM
If you want my help NEVER edit my post.
As a moderator, one of Tmac's responsibilities is to keep posts on topic, remove anything that would be offensive to other members or visitors and generally try to keep people in line. Without seeing your original post I can't say what he edited but I can say that if he did it, he had a good reason for doing so.
TURBOPOWERED68
08-25-2010, 12:18 PM
To race in a "Pinks" type setup for three hours?
What ever happened to this????
BTW i just signed up for another track rental at Acto for another $200.00
Umm, Suicide is at banned camp. I have no doubt it was for real, just not in keeping with our current goals. So I'm sure if you hunt, you can find him on streetfire and ask him whats up.
TURBOPOWERED68
08-25-2010, 03:15 PM
thanks
Umm, Suicide is at banned camp. I have no doubt it was for real, just not in keeping with our current goals. So I'm sure if you hunt, you can find him on streetfire and ask him whats up.
cowbay
08-28-2010, 03:41 PM
Umm, Suicide is at banned camp. I have no doubt it was for real, just not in keeping with our current goals. So I'm sure if you hunt, you can find him on streetfire and ask him whats up.
I like the banned camp there Mr. Art. That is a funny one
betcha618
08-28-2010, 04:31 PM
maybe marty will allow you to get on lima if you behave yourself.....i think you were just following someone elses lead and figured that you could bust his chops and get away with it.....
First off Tara follows no ones lead. she does things on her own. Secondly, i am on LIMA and have a working relationship with Marty.
novadose454
08-28-2010, 11:26 PM
im impressed by your quick reply....
betcha618
08-29-2010, 11:47 AM
im impressed by your quick reply....
I don't even bother reading most of your useless posts. :hello:
novadose454
08-29-2010, 01:38 PM
evidentally you do ....as you respond to it....otherwise i wouldnt be having to answer you .....any else you need clarifying?
To settle the story on the original question, he had an idea that didn't pan out. Now we move on to the next idea. The most important thing is to work together. Next idea contact your local politicians and ask them to support our cause and work together with all other politicians on Long Island to provide a safe and legal facility. They hold the key to the zoning problem. Ask them to help you make our streets safer. If they don't want to ask them why and let us know who they are before election day. Ask candidates too. It's the most important thing we can do and it has never been tried. If you want it you do it. We have a formal letter and a flyer you can send asking them to sign our petition. Never been tried nothing to loose everything to gain. Everything else is an excuse.
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